Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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AlbionAmerican said:
NATO or European defense minus America is non-existent, it returns to everyone being for themselves again, and honestly at this stage in time there’s a decent chance Europe without America would fragment and Balkanize.
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ever heard of the european union? god, it boggles the mind some of the stupid shit that gets posted here.

how can they separate and go off on their own when they share a common currency? did you see how hard brexit was? and how stupid and destructive? brexit was easy compared to, say, a frexit.
 
Our military spending and commitments spearhead our nuclear and anti-proliferation strategy. If you reduce our commitments and spend, you have to accept that you will live in a world with several more nuclear powers. The fact that that is already happening (North Korea, Iran, KSA) doesn't make this strategy less relevant - it just increases dramatically the complexity of the situation every time a new nation that joins the club...

You have to manage this carefully and over decades - this is one issue where you can't FAFO.
 
Huh? said:
Our military spending and commitments spearhead our nuclear and anti-proliferation strategy. If you reduce our commitments and spend, you have to accept that you will live in a world with several more nuclear powers. The fact that that is already happening (North Korea, Iran, KSA) doesn't make this strategy less relevant - it just increases dramatically the complexity of the situation every time a new nation that joins the club...

You have to manage this carefully and over decades - this is one issue where you can't FAFO.
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ksa? i havent heard about that.
 
nycfan said:


Not what Trump ran on but I agree with the broad strokes of what Pete Hegseth says here.
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i would also agree with him if he said the sky was blue.

i think you are reaching here. "backing our allies and standing up to enemies" is more tautology than policy. it's literally what you have to do with allies, or else they aren't allies. you dont have to stand up to enemies but that is usually the point of having them. i don't know that this guy should get credit for asserting a=a. that trump thinks a=whatever the fuck trump wants is too low a bar for comparison.
 
PRRI year-end poll:

"...Republican voters and voters who score high on the authoritarianism scale are the most likely to agree that the U.S. military should put undocumented immigrants into internment camps until they can be deported.
  • Just one in four voters (26%) agree that the U.S. military should put immigrants who are in the country illegally into internment camps until they can be deported.
  • Republican voters (46%) are more than twice as likely as independent voters (19%) and more than five times as likely as Democratic voters (8%) to agree with this policy.
  • American voters who hold highly authoritarian views are six times as likely to agree with placing undocumented immigrants into such camps until they can be deported than American voters who largely reject authoritarianism (48% v. 8%).

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Russia rejects Trump’s Ukraine peace proposals​


"Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov rejected proposals Monday floated by President-elect Trump’s allies to end the war in Ukraine, dealing a major setback for the incoming president’s hopes to freeze the conflict.

In an interview with Russian state-run media outlet TASS, Lavrov said Moscow has “not received any official signals regarding a settlement in Ukraine” but the Kremlin was resistant to those unofficial ideas.

“We are not happy, of course, with the proposals made by members of the Trump team to postpone Ukraine’s admission to NATO for 20 years and to station British and European peacekeeping forces in Ukraine,” he said, responding to leaked reports of Trump’s proposals.

Lavrov called for “reliable and legally binding agreements that would eliminate the root causes of the conflict and seal a mechanism precluding the possibility of their violation.” ..."
 
If you want a take a swing at the defense budget, I'd start by taking a closer look at the $1.7 trillion we are spending over 30 years to modernize our nuclear arsenal. While we certainly need to do some modernization, that's a huge number that can buy a lot of butter.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Not to mention that Gilded Age business tycoons often treated their workers like shit because there were no legal restraints on them not to do so, and so many workers tried to organize labor unions to strike for better pay, working conditions, etc. And many of these strikes were violently opposed by the company owners and aided by the state and federal governments. Hundreds of workers were killed in violent strikes in that era - The National Railroad Strike of 1877, the Chicago Haymarket Square Riot, the Pullman Strike, the Homestead Strike, and so on. Ugly stuff, and it certainly wasn't a paradise for many, or even most, workers.

Also, instead of the capitalist idea of corporate competition, many companies formed monopolies which allowed for crappy products and high prices - farmers were routinely the victims of price gouging by railroad companies to move their products to market, for example. It may have been great for the wealthiest upper class, but it sure as hell wasn't all that great for the working class. But of course as we all know that's not who Trump is talking about - he's talking about himself and his buddies like Elon and that LA Times owner.
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The Gilded Age was the RNC’s yearning for decades. Then in 2016 God sent them a loudmouthed charlatan who delivered and promises more. The “God sent” are trump’s words… he has convinced himself.
 
UNCatTech said:
Hmmm, didn't the tariffs during his first administration impact the farmers?

This seems like another area where we really need to look for more balance, we need food producers, we should pay enough for them to stay in business and live. Of course, I believe we may also need to consider the actual crops. Why do we grow so many acres of these low-cost grain crops?
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Why grow grain? BIG demand, easier to grow, heap big profit on large scale planting.
 
1. i think 99.99% of american people -- including virtually everyone on this board -- have no idea how to right size the defense budget because it takes vast knowledge even to know what everything is and why its there.

2. this is a good reason to elect leaders you can trust. then you can relax and think, the president and his advisors have this. they might not always make the right decisions but at least they are informed and well-thought out.

3. this is an especially good reason to avoid electing people who you are assuming are lying to you. if your case for voting for a president is that he wont do what he says, then by definition you cant trust them with a defense budget. and then we're back to the problem in step 1 -- none of us know how to do this.
 
tarheelbillie said:
Why grow grain? BIG demand, easier to grow, heap big profit on large scale planting.
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True, but from what I've read we over produce at the loss of other, possible better crops. Isn't a lot of the grain used in the processed foods that are impacting health and disproportionately impact poorer people?
 
UNCatTech said:
True, but from what I've read we over produce at the loss of other, possible better crops. Isn't a lot of the grain used in the processed foods that are impacting health and disproportionately impact poorer people?
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  • 36% of corn is used to feed animals
  • 30% of corn goes into ethanol
  • Something like 2-3% of corn goes directly to human consumption
  • 70% or so of soybeans are animal feed
  • 15% goes into making cooking or salad oil
 
UNCatTech said:
True.

If I were only younger, I'd take a crash course in data science and find a new career.

I've got a good background for it with databases, programming languages, logic, etc.
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i was studying data science for a while a few years ago. it is painful to do for long periods of time, from what i could tell. it's the sort of job you like in your sixth month but just cannot stand your third year. thats my impression and it's little more than that.
 
superrific said:
i was studying data science for a while a few years ago. it is painful to do for long periods of time, from what i could tell. it's the sort of job you like in your sixth month but just cannot stand your third year. thats my impression and it's little more than that.
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I’d say your impression is mighty faulty.
 
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