Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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rodoheel said:
I actually think this misunderstands the direction in which "Christian nationalists" want to take us. Just like with everything else in the culture wars, they care about Christianity having cultural supremacy far more than any sort of religious mandate. They don't want to, and I don't think they will seek to, establish any sort of mandatory tithing or religious institutions. They don't want to make churches themselves more powerful, or force people back into pews, they just want to chill minority religions and get back to a place where most or all key government officials are culturally Christian and the government recognizes and enforces the cultural primacy of Christianity.
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Not sure there’s anything about this that isn’t completely anti-American and theocratic, “religious mandate” or no. Dude is an utter fascist creep.
 
"The Trump administration is expected to issue a public health order as soon as this week labeling migrants at the US southern border as risks for spreading diseases,

Shit, RFK ,jr. is doing that and he got a Cabinet position.
 
HIV and cancer have higher than 4% approval ratings. Seriously.

The idea of a 4% approval rating is again comically stupid.
 
Patb78 said:
Napoleon did institute a lot of improvements in France that are still in use today. However, from his earliest conquests in Italy to the Battle of Waterloo he constantly attacked his neighbors to gain territory for France and to increase his stature in Europe. After his return from Elba the other powers in Europe realized there could be no peace until he was gone. He had lost support from his allies among the German States and other parts of Europe. At one point his armies were fighting from Madrid to Moscow. After his defeat at Waterloo at the hands of an international coalition he was sent to St. Helena in the middle of the Atlantic. While a coalition arose to rid Europe of Napoleon, I don’t see such a coalition coming together to stop Trump. There will be no Wellington to stop Trump. Our best hope is that he meets his end soon.
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Trump dying might have helped 3 years ago. It won't help anything now. Vance and others in the Trump admin are just as committed to destroying the government and abandoning our allies as Trump is.
 
rodoheel said:
Trump dying might have helped 3 years ago. It won't help anything now. Vance and others in the Trump admin are just as committed to destroying the government and abandoning our allies as Trump is.
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Correct.

If Trump dies before he leaves office, Musk/Thiel/Techbroligarchs still hold sway.

Russell Vought and the Heritage Foundation will still implement Project 2025.

J.D. Vance is likely an even more malleable, easily manipulated tool than Trump.
 
Zoo_View said:
J.D. Vance is likely an even more malleable, easily manipulated tool than Trump.
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Disagree. Vance is far, far smarter than don, just isn’t a quarter as effective as a demagogue. However, he has the ability to execute plans, and while he’s a blatant opportunist, he also is more skillful at knitting together insidious alliances with competent bad actors.
 
Healing said:
Disagree. Vance is far, far smarter than don, just isn’t a quarter as effective as a demagogue. However, he has the ability to execute plans, and while he’s a blatant opportunist, he also is more skillful at knitting together insidious alliances with competent bad actors.
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J.D. Vance became exactly what Peter Thiel wanted him to be.

J.D. Vance didn’t orchestrate J.D. Vance’s elevation to the VP nomination.
 
superrific said:
It's not functionally a minimum wage either. First, that concept makes no sense. The minimum wage is a type of law to boost wages in the event that the market clearing wage is too low. In other words, the mimimum wage is a check on the market. It's a negation of the market-clearing wage when the market produces unacceptable outcomes. So how can the market clearing wage be "functionally" its own negation?

Look, I don't know what point you are trying to make here. Maybe you have a good point in there, but you're expressing it terribly. Why don't you try again, and ditch the whole "functional minimum wage" stuff? Try a different approach.
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'Why don't you try again, and ditch the whole "functional minimum wage" stuff? Try a different approach."

Pass. This started as a simple question to cford and has morphed into something that is not worth continuing.
 
Zoo_View said:
J.D. Vance became exactly what Peter Thiel wanted him to be.

J.D. Vance didn’t orchestrate J.D. Vance’s elevation to the VP nomination.
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I know the Thiel history. I think they’ll lose their grips on Vance, should he become president.

Eventually, the techtheocrats will come into direct conflict with the christonationalists, and I suspect Vance will side with the millions of evangelicals, over tech utopia. Vance may eventually get pushed out by a more charismatic figurehead, but who is that? Right now, the comically on the nose Bond villains are ascendant, but eventually, they’ll have to reckon with the true believer religious nuts.
 
Healing said:
I know the Thiel history. I think they’ll lose their grips on Vance, should he become president.

Eventually, the techtheocrats will come into direct conflict with the christonationalists, and I suspect Vance will side with the millions of evangelicals, over tech utopia. Vance may eventually get pushed out by a more charismatic figurehead, but who is that? Right now, the comically on the nose Bond villains are ascendant, but eventually, they’ll have to reckon with the true believer religious nuts.
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If Vance succumbs to the ChristoNationalists rather than the Techbroligarchy, that helps make my point about Vance. He’s completely malleable and easily manipulated. He has no core beliefs.
 
finesse said:
Can they hold this together without a face guy? Vance doesn't seem like he could be that guy.
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This is what I think. I feel that after Trump is gone they won’t be able to hold together. People will be coming out of the woodwork claiming to be his heir and they are the trumpiest politician there is. There has already been plenty of fighting among the factions in MAGA and the GOP. With him gone, there will be no one to coalesce around.
 
You paying attention, John Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett? Where do you think he got the idea that he was a king?

If you let him have impoundment authority, you'll make it so.

And if we have to overthrow a king, you can expect heads to roll, literally. Kings don't get deposed and live, and neither do their enablers. Or their families.
 




They are going to launch strikes in Mexico and Central and South America, aren’t they?
 
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The Power of Myth

The Centrality of Narrative in Contemporary Politics
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“This mythic nature of these notions makes the liberal attempts to fact-check or dispute their contents piecemeal a futile exercise. The positivistic approach of liberal pundits, as expressed most characteristically in the unimaginative vox.com mentality, is completely out of its depth when it tries to deal with the policy merits or demerits of these new right-wing myths.

Such an approach is even counterproductive in that it helps try to rationalize and make more palatable to rationalistic liberals what is inherently—by design—irrational. The facts are secondary to the story that they are being woven into. In contemporary right-wing usage, ‘DEI,’ ‘CRT’ or ‘Wokeness’ do not refer to any particular suite of policies that can be rationally assessed. No, they are signifiers that are meant to conjure images of the ideological unsoundness, mental unworthiness, and racial impurity of vast swaths of federal and private employees. In like manner, ‘IQ’ might seem like the most scientistic concept available: but it is not, it’s a myth that suggests an intrinsically worthy but unrecognized mass, held back by a fake meritocracy that unfairly privileges women and minorities.

Trumpism itself is a mythic conception: a pragmatic, no-nonsense businessman who will ‘clean up the mess’ of American government.”
 
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