Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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I'm going to use the F-word and the C-word
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“Fascism is associated in the public mind with great endeavors of state planning, nationalization, war industrialism, and mimicry of socialism, but Mussolini’s regime began with a ‘liberal’ economic program, overseen by Alberto de' Stefani. De Stefani favored tax cuts, bureaucratic reductions and reforms, and extensive privatization. As the historian Germa Bél writes: ‘The government privatised the State monopoly of match sale, eliminated the State monopoly on life insurances, sold most of the State-owned telephone networks and services to private firms, reprivatised the largest metal machinery producer, and awarded concessions to private firms to build and operate motorways. These interventions represent one of the earliest and most decisive privatisation episodes in the Western world.’ De’ Stefani. also pursued and achieved a balanced budget. Bucking the 1930s trend towards nationalization, the Nazis also pursued an initial privatization policy for political reasons.”
 
lawtig02 said:
The utter silence of the board’s Republicans today on every topic other than the irrelevant EO attacking trans athletes is quite telling. And pathetic.
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Need to stay away for a while since y'all are angry at this point and not really in the mood to discuss anything with Republicans/MAGA - I get it. No need to further stoke the fire. I'm content following the news for all the positive developments. I realize you see it differently.
 
Ramrouser said:
Need to stay away for a while since y'all are angry at this point and not really in the mood to discuss anything with Republicans/MAGA - I get it. No need to further stoke the fire. I'm content following the news for all the positive developments. I realize you see it differently.
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Good point. You're well known here for engaging in nuanced policy discussions.
 
Racist DOGE staffer that resigned over the uncovering of several racist social media posts, rehired and welcomed back with open arms by Musk, Vance, and Trump. Musk even had a poll on his X account and of course 78% of the MAGAts agreed he should be re-hired.

Among the ignorant posts, paraphrasing, "normalize Indian hate" no problem for Vance with Indian wife and kids, "I would not mind at all if Israel and Gaza both wiped off the face of the Earth" Musk likes that one, and "I was racist before racist was cool."

This article sums up MAGA and it's supporters here, to be honest.

 
BlueSmoke said:
I kinda think in the "all things Trump" world that scores of separate tariffs for different countries and different goods is exactly the point.
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We already have that. What Trump wants to do would actually simplify things from a user perspective (well, these days computers do it all so it doesn't matter). From an economic and consumer perspective, it's utter madness.

For instance, Bangladesh has something like 150% tariffs on apparel goods. Those don't really matter because nobody actually wants to export into Bangladesh. They don't have money. But now we would get 150% tariffs on Bangladeshi apparel. Prices of clothes will skyrocket. What will we get? Jack shit, because there's no American firm anywhere that exports substantial amounts of apparel to Bangladesh and no firm that wants to.

This is the stupidest possible way to do tariffs. I thought the Canada approach was the stupidest but again, I just don't have the imagination to keep up with these mooks.
 
Ramrouser said:
Need to stay away for a while since y'all are angry at this point and not really in the mood to discuss anything with Republicans/MAGA - I get it. No need to further stoke the fire. I'm content following the news for all the positive developments. I realize you see it differently.
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Positive developments? It's almost like you couldn't be any more fucking disgusting. Honestly, I look forward to civil war 2. You all think that you can be horrific pieces of shit with no repercussions. Good. Keep thinking that. Enjoy content while you can, you stupid fucking redneck.

Ray Smith: Trump campaign attorney (12 charges)
  • One count: Violation of the Georgia RICO Act.
  • Three counts: Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer.
  • Two counts: False statements and writings.
  • One count: Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer.
  • Two counts: Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree.
  • Two counts: Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings.
  • One count: Conspiracy to commit filing false documents.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
I still haven't gotten past ChileG counting paper losses in his 401k from a single day as money Trump "cost him"
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Why is that so hard to understand? Apparently he retired today and liquidated everything in his 401k to buy mason jars so he could bury the rest until trump is out off office.
 
Shenanigans said:
Positive developments? It's almost like you couldn't be any more fucking disgusting. Honestly, I look forward to civil war 2. You all think that you can be horrific pieces of shit with no repercussions. Good. Keep thinking that. Enjoy content while you can, you stupid fucking redneck.

Ray Smith: Trump campaign attorney (12 charges)
  • One count: Violation of the Georgia RICO Act.
  • Three counts: Solicitation of violation of oath by public officer.
  • Two counts: False statements and writings.
  • One count: Conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer.
  • Two counts: Conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree.
  • Two counts: Conspiracy to commit false statements and writings.
  • One count: Conspiracy to commit filing false documents.
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Ramrouser said:
And I was responding to a poster who said it was "completely false" that Biden's 5.25T in additional spending was in any way inflationary. Of course it was.
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The $5 trillion number is spread out over a decade. It is not one year, or even four years.

The fact is that the US government spent a shit ton of money in 2020 and 2021 (over half of which was under Trump) and that money impacted inflation in 2021 and 2022 -- just as it did in Europe and Asia (who did the exact same thing in 2020 and 2021).

But as you can see from my link above, once we exited Covid, US spending reduced to more historical levels, while GDP boomed. There was no excess spending in 2022, 2023 and 2024.

Once we worked off the Covid-stimulus and supply chain issues, inflation abated.
 
I put the following post on the wrong thread earlier. The same article is linked above also. It is really worth a read.

Racist DOGE staffer that resigned over the uncovering of several racist social media posts, rehired and welcomed back with open arms by Musk, Vance, and Trump. Musk even had a poll on his X account and of course 78% of the MAGAts agreed he should be re-hired.

Among the ignorant posts, paraphrasing, "normalize Indian hate" no problem for Vance with Indian wife and kids, "I would not mind at all if Israel and Gaza both wiped off the face of the Earth" Musk likes that one, and "I was racist before racist was cool."

This article sums up MAGA and it's supporters here, to be honest.

 
Healing said:
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While I always appreciate the nuanced discussion on this board, we are well past that. It's time that we all realize the fascists are our enemies. Do something meaningful. The GOP believes everyone on this board, every liberal is the spawn of Satan. That is what we are dealing with. Fight, if you are able
 
superrific said:
We already have that. What Trump wants to do would actually simplify things from a user perspective (well, these days computers do it all so it doesn't matter). From an economic and consumer perspective, it's utter madness.

For instance, Bangladesh has something like 150% tariffs on apparel goods. Those don't really matter because nobody actually wants to export into Bangladesh. They don't have money. But now we would get 150% tariffs on Bangladeshi apparel. Prices of clothes will skyrocket. What will we get? Jack shit, because there's no American firm anywhere that exports substantial amounts of apparel to Bangladesh and no firm that wants to.

This is the stupidest possible way to do tariffs. I thought the Canada approach was the stupidest but again, I just don't have the imagination to keep up with these mooks.
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I worked part of my career in textiles. Trust me, a 150% tariff on apparel from Bangladesh still wouldn’t make American made apparel competitive. The textile companies in this country that are still in business have carved out markets in industrial textiles and high end markets where quality concerns outweigh price (to a degree). American textiles companies do not compete against apparel products from countries in Asia and Central America because our labor costs are in some instances 10X greater than theirs. Apparel is considered primarily a commodity market. Such markets are areas American companies cannot compete in.
 
lawtig02 said:
The utter silence of the board’s Republicans today on every topic other than the irrelevant EO attacking trans athletes is quite telling. And pathetic.
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Translation. I wish they were here to hurl vile, nasty, rabid comments at them because I need a bigger safe space and I want to vent my anger because my inner karen isn't being satisfied by my brothers and sisters in our echo chamber.
 
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