U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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Given that abolishing the filibuster is the only way Dems have any chance of doing what will need to be done if we can hang on until 2029, I am fully in support of this Trump initiative. It is likely to hurt Pubs much more than Dems, and it will be a problem of the Pubs' own making.
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Seems like eliminating the filibuster to get a CR passed would also give Dems a strategic win on the shutdown. To less plugged in people, it would show the Pubs always had the unilateral power to keep the government open. And it would also make Pubs entirely responsible for health insurance increases, loss of SNAP, etc. And if the Pubs passed a CR that extended the ACA subsidies, then what the hell was the shutdown all about anyway?
 
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Do it. Seriously. Do it. I want this so badly. I know people don't want it to happen with Trump in power, but IMO that's actually when it DOES need to happen. The current version of the filibuster is antidemocratic and encourages Congress to cede its power to the executive. Get rid of it. Re-empower Congress. Let Pubs own everything that happens with their majority. Please. do it.
 
lawtig02 said:
Seems like eliminating the filibuster to get a CR passed would also give Dems a strategic win on the shutdown. To less plugged in people, it would show the Pubs always had the unilateral power to keep the government open. And it would also make Pubs entirely responsible for health insurance increases, loss of SNAP, etc. And if the Pubs passed a CR that extended the ACA subsidies, then what the hell was the shutdown all about anyway?
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Yep. This is the PERFECT situation for Dems. The fact that Trump is publicly calling for this is a huge strategic win for Dems. It makes everything they've done look like a win. Do it Pubs. Get rid of the filibuster. Show everyone that you own EVERYTHING. No excuses about Dem obstruction.
 
Republicans ending the filibuster would be a huge victory for us as a society even though Pubs would then use that power to do all sorts of nasty things. However, it would put a very large number of Republican Senators who currently hide behind it on the front lines for having to make some very tough decisions to either back Trump or back their constituents.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Republicans ending the filibuster would be a huge victory for us as a society even though Pubs would then use that power to do all sorts of nasty things. However, it would put a very large number of Republican Senators who currently hide behind it on the front lines for having to make some very tough decisions to either back Trump or back their constituents.
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Absolutely. Pubs have turned hiding their support for deeply unpopular policies into an art form. The more democracy, the better, even if it means the next few months will be painful. The only way to break this vicious 40+ year cycle is for Americans to be exposed to just how destructive the Pub agenda really is.
 
sringwal said:
If I were democrats, I'd try to amend any filibuster bill to also include an end to gerrymandering.
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I don't think ending the filibuster requires a bill. It would just be a change to the Senate rules, which requires only a majority vote. And since gerrymandering is not part of the Senate rules, I don't think they could be connected. But I agree with your sentiment.
 
4thgenheel said:
there's not a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
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Agree. 0 chance of this happening in the Senate even if Trump supports it. 1. The Senate likes the filibuster; and 2. this would give the Dems an out. They wouldn't have to cave and pass a clean CR and incur the wrath of their lunatic left.

My guess is that someone will explain this to Trump and you'll see new emails this weekend.
 
The senate doesn’t need to end the filibuster totally. It could simply narrow it like it has many times in the past. For example, it could change the rules to state that only a bare majority is needed to fund the government for x days when it has been shut down for y days, or something like that.
 
Calheel said:
The senate doesn’t need to end the filibuster totally. It could simply narrow it like it has many times in the past. For example, it could change the rules to state that only a bare majority is needed to fund the government for x days when it has been shut down for y days, or something like that.
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You are correct but it still puts the lie to "the democrats shut down the government"
 
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