U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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Calheel said:
The senate doesn’t need to end the filibuster totally. It could simply narrow it like it has many times in the past. For example, it could change the rules to state that only a bare majority is needed to fund the government for x days when it has been shut down for y days, or something like that.
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I'm sure Pubs will try to carve out something like that, but the best thing is for the filibuster writ large to be eliminated (or at least reformed back to its "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington"-era roots. Having a 60-vote threshold for passing any legislation in the Senate is anti-constitutional and anti-democratic and is a big reason (certainly not the only reason) why individual Senators, and the Senate as a whole, have been incentivized to cede their own power to the executive.
 
Zero chance the Pubs thought the Dems would let it get to this point. While I wish Dem messaging was stronger, it seems pretty clear to me the Pubs are panicking a bit. Probably because they know the more things hurt, the more Americans will blame the party in power. Nobody gives a shit about filibusters when their kids are hungry and they can't afford to re-up their health insurance.
 
I know this is being discussed in the polling thread but it's pretty clear why Mike Johnson and the Pubs are panicking today.

abcnews.go.com

Americans increasingly concerned about government shutdown, more blame Republicans and Trump than Democrats: Poll

Nearly half say Trump and GOP are responsible for the shutdown, the poll finds.
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Three-quarters of Americans say they are concerned about the government shutdown, up from two-thirds who said the same on the first day of the shutdown in a Washington Post poll. Now, 43% of Americans say that they are "very" concerned about the shutdown, up from 25% on Oct. 1.

Nearly half of Americans, 45%, say Trump and congressional Republicans are responsible for the shutdown, while 33% say congressional Democrats are responsible and another 22% are not sure. That is barely a shift from the Post’s poll on Oct. 1 when 47% blamed Trump and Republicans, 30% blamed Democrats and 23% were unsure at the onset of the shutdown.
 
lawtig02 said:
I know this is being discussed in the polling thread but it's pretty clear why Mike Johnson and the Pubs are panicking today.

abcnews.go.com

Americans increasingly concerned about government shutdown, more blame Republicans and Trump than Democrats: Poll

Nearly half say Trump and GOP are responsible for the shutdown, the poll finds.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

Three-quarters of Americans say they are concerned about the government shutdown, up from two-thirds who said the same on the first day of the shutdown in a Washington Post poll. Now, 43% of Americans say that they are "very" concerned about the shutdown, up from 25% on Oct. 1.

Nearly half of Americans, 45%, say Trump and congressional Republicans are responsible for the shutdown, while 33% say congressional Democrats are responsible and another 22% are not sure. That is barely a shift from the Post’s poll on Oct. 1 when 47% blamed Trump and Republicans, 30% blamed Democrats and 23% were unsure at the onset of the shutdown.
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Those 33% are Trump cult members, and the other 22% are just idiots.
 

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said he’s “not buying” polls that show voters are blaming more Republicans than Democrats for the government shutdown.

“It’s very clear where the blame lies,” he said during an appearance on Fox News’s “Fox & Friends” on Friday. “The Democrats admit themselves that they are the ones shutting the government down, and they’re having a hard time justifying that.”

He added that he believed “public pressure is building” against Democrats.

“You have a real pain that’s been resolved by many Americans, millions of Americans, every day that this goes forward, and if we get past Nov. 1, it’s a very serious situation for a lot of people,” he said.

Multiple public polls have found that voters blame the GOP more than Democrats for the shutdown, including a Washington-ABC survey released Thursday that showed 45 percent of U.S. adults blamed the president and congressional Republicans for the federal government’s shuttering.

Johnson dismissed the Washington-ABC survey when asked about its findings on “Fox & Friends,” repeating past criticism of Democratic leadership, who he said were motivated by fear of being unseated by their base if they did not oppose the GOP-backed bill.

“At the end of the day, the American people are wise,” he said. “They understand what’s going on. They’re going to see who’s responsible, and there’ll be a price to pay for that politically.”
 
Yeah, sir porns-a-lot, we do understand what's going on and who's at fault for this shit. We see that you're not bringing the house back so you can't swear in a new Dem member denying the Epstein file vote and protecting the pedo-in-charge We also know The Grifting Our People's party could use the nuclear option and pass whatever the fuck they want but NOPE! They won't bc they want to intentionally harm the Fed civilian workers, force them to quit and/or illegally RIF them and do irreparable harm to the ACA making it impossible for low income individuals to afford health insurance.

That's why the data shows the tide is turning against the repuglicans and cheetolini and we don't give a single fuck whether you "buy it" or not.
 
Here's where I let my conservative side out.

The conservative thing to do is roll things back to the way it was in the past when government actually worked.

The filibuster is the fact that you can hold up a bill for precisely as long as you and your allies can keep talking, no more, no less. You run out of physical stamina, fine, you've made your point, but the bill passes.

The problem with today's filibusterer is that IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING! Of course it's going to be used over and over at every chance anybody get to use it BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COST ANYTHING! It's free to use. It's just like when you play poker with chips that don't count for money. The game gets distorted and basically unworkable, because it doesn't cost you anything to bet any amount.

Make the filibusterer cost real fucking physical stamina from the representatives that want to invoke it and we'll immediately see a more functional legislative branch (and maybe less gerontocrasy).
 
C-Money said:
That's not what she said.
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“My message to America is first the fact that your government is failing you right now, that poverty is not red or blue, it is not a Republican or Democrat issue, it doesn’t matter who you voted for or even if you voted, that if you are in a position where you can’t feed your family and you’re relying on that $187 a month for an average family in the SNAP program, that we have failed you.

But I think what’s so important and I think this is why we keep hammering this the Republicans have voted over and over and over again to open this government so that these funds don’t stop and do fourteen different times the Democrats have said no that we’re gonna hold hostage the most vulnerable families in this country so that we can get our left wing radical agenda into the government and the governing structure …”

But Speaker Johnson was concerned enough about her first paragraph that he did a quick clean-up: “When she says ‘we have failed you’ she means ‘we the Democrats,’ OK”
 
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Congrats to the Trump admin on completely backing themselves into a corner, claiming Dems were going to cut off SNAP and now a judge says the admin has to keep paying SNAP benefits. What are they gonna do, tell people they're defying a court order requiring SNAP payments and try to blame it on Dems? Anyone still want to make the argument that Trump is winning the shutdown?
 
"Hey SNAP recipients. The reason you're getting November benefits so late is that we thought we couldn't send you ANY money, until a federal court told us we were wrong. So I'm really sorry your kids were hungry for the first week of the month. That was all our fault. But I promise you can trust us -- and should vote for us -- going forward."
 
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