U.S. Budget & OBBB | OCT 1 - Gov’t Shutdown Begins

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It is Congress. If it wanted, it could require insurance companies to enroll people retroactively. So the open enrollment period is not the end all, be all of the analysis.

That said, I don't think Republicans were ever going to vote to reinstate the subsidies. This was always a play to get the issue highlighted.

Would you just keep the government closed forever?
I think they could have kept the government closed until Trump forced Pubs to remove/modify the filibuster so that the Senate could re-open the government by majority vote, which I think was the best political result for Dems and the country.
 


[King also opposed the initial strategy, which at least resulted in the vote and additional leverage he cited as a good result, so he is not a great spokesman for this decision, though as an Independent he is speaking for himself, I guess.]
 
I Have said i would reopen it but we also need to be honest about what we are dealing with. There will NEVER be a vote on ACA subsidies with Johnson as speaker.
Of course, but now the Republicans own that choice, there is no spin that will resonate with people, and ads in 2026 about how your premiums skyrocketed due to the Republicans will land some serious blows. In debates and interviews they’ll be asked why they let premiums spike and when they criticize ACA the follow-up is you’ve had both Houses and the Presidency, why haven’t you done anything to fix it?
 
Is there reason to believe Thune will ever hold the vote? Since when has a Republican bipartisan promise been worth anything?
Thune has promised debate and a vote and the whole thing would start all over at the end of January with zero negotiation credibility left if he doesn’t deliver, but he could make that choice. It would be dumb though because even if enough vulnerable Senate Republicans up in 2026 (see Susan Collins) vote for it and it passes the Senate, it is highly unlikely to get a hearing in the House under current leadership.

From that perspective, it would be counterproductive to Thune’s goal of holding the Senate to break his promise on this vote, even if it creates additional headwinds for vulnerable Republicans in the House.
 
Is there reason to believe Thune will ever hold the vote? Since when has a Republican bipartisan promise been worth anything?
Thune will hold a vote, but Johnson won’t. Enough for Republicans to say they upheld their end but not enough to to actually get a bill passed. But this is how it was always going to be. No length of shutdown was going to save the subsidies. Republicans have no limit to the amount of cruelty they are happy to inflict on everyone. The ultimate point was to make the 2026 election about key pillars of affordability, healthcare being a huge one.
 


Ready for my most controversial takes yet? The Dems won the shutdown fight!

- This "fold" won't matter at all in next years midterms but making the GOP own the dogshit BBB/tariff/health care policies will
- This is not an example of Dems "not fighting like Republicans" it's a longer shutdown than anything the kamikaze Tea Party ever did!
- The people who are mad about this are a small subset of the electorate that treat politics like sports and its possible that their crying about the fold will contribute to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
- There was no path to getting the Obamacare subsidies back because the GOP controls everything and was never going to do it and they are fake populists. Dems should run against them on that topic and they have a great case study now. MTG helps with that.
- The fact that there was no getting Obamacare subsidy extension endgame was obvious at the start and anyone setting that expectation was lying to people.
 
Thune will hold a vote, but Johnson won’t. Enough for Republicans to say they upheld their end but not enough to to actually get a bill passed. But this is how it was always going to be. No length of shutdown was going to save the subsidies. Republicans have no limit to the amount of cruelty they are happy to inflict on everyone. The ultimate point was to make the 2026 election about key pillars of affordability, healthcare being a huge one.
I'm not drawing any conclusions yet but I'm headed in this direction too. I thought the Senate Pubs might go along with Schumer's recent proposal to extend the subsidies for a year because that would be the smart political play. But it's becoming more clear all the time that Johnson won't cooperate, regardless of whether that's politically smart or not. And it's really not feasible to have airports at severely diminished capacity during Thanksgiving week. The anger would be so extreme it would likely start to hurt the Dems as much as the Pubs.

I don't like this deal at all, but I can see the upsides. First, as you note, it puts the Pubs in a real bind on affordability going into 2026. Second, if the Dems and the Massie wing of the GOP play this right, one of the main conversations around the Thanksgiving table this year may be Epstein. And that's the LAST thing Trump and Johnson want.
 


Ready for my most controversial takes yet? The Dems won the shutdown fight!

- This "fold" won't matter at all in next years midterms but making the GOP own the dogshit BBB/tariff/health care policies will
- This is not an example of Dems "not fighting like Republicans" it's a longer shutdown than anything the kamikaze Tea Party ever did!
- The people who are mad about this are a small subset of the electorate that treat politics like sports and its possible that their crying about the fold will contribute to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
- There was no path to getting the Obamacare subsidies back because the GOP controls everything and was never going to do it and they are fake populists. Dems should run against them on that topic and they have a great case study now. MTG helps with that.
- The fact that there was no getting Obamacare subsidy extension endgame was obvious at the start and anyone setting that expectation was lying to people.

I think this more right than people are comfortable admitting. The minority party has never gotten a major policy concession from a shut down. We now have public attention on and the Republican ownership of skyrocketing healthcare premiums. We now have a case of POTUS not only having to have a judge order him to feed children with funds that were available and for that purpose, but POTUS doubling down on the cruelty and appealing the order!
 
I heard Tim Kaine just now He said lets get Snap, Fed payrolls etc back on track
ACA will be on the table alone for the whole country to see the vote .
It made sense to me
 


Trump and Rs keep making it clear that there’s no limit to the pain they’re willing to inflict on the country to avoid preventing premium hikes. They’re willing to let people starve. They’re willing to let people go without pay. They’re willing to make flying a nightmare that’s becoming riskier. They could compromise with Dems on health care. They refuse. They could change the Senate rules and vote to open the government right now. They refuse.They’ve become so unpopular that they just lost off year elections by historic margins. They don’t care. In fact, their response is to inflict even more pain on the country - including their own voters. They are sadists, and it seems like the only message they’ll understand is losing their jobs next year.
 
I'm not drawing any conclusions yet but I'm headed in this direction too. I thought the Senate Pubs might go along with Schumer's recent proposal to extend the subsidies for a year because that would be the smart political play. But it's becoming more clear all the time that Johnson won't cooperate, regardless of whether that's politically smart or not. And it's really not feasible to have airports at severely diminished capacity during Thanksgiving week. The anger would be so extreme it would likely start to hurt the Dems as much as the Pubs.

I don't like this deal at all, but I can see the upsides. First, as you note, it puts the Pubs in a real bind on affordability going into 2026. Second, if the Dems and the Massie wing of the GOP play this right, one of the main conversations around the Thanksgiving table this year may be Epstein. And that's the LAST thing Trump and Johnson want.
I also think as the Epstein battle plays out over Thanksgiving the time may be ripe to work with the MTG/Massie wing to move to vacate Johnson as speaker.
 
My personal perspective on this is that I completely understand why many folks on the left are angry with the Democratic Party and believe that they are a bunch of feckless cowards for seemingly letting the Republicans "off the hook" with the shutdown. I totally understand that perspective. But as someone who grew up on SNAP and spent plenty of time in my youth having to miss or skip meals, I am also particularly sensitive to Democrats' desires to not let poor children and their families starve. I think that ultimately, this "letting the GOP off the hook" is not going to matter much electorally a year from now when quite literally everything in this country- healthcare, insurance premiums, groceries, basic necessities, etc- are quite literally unaffordable for everyone who isn't upper middle class or wealthy.
 
Thune will hold a vote, but Johnson won’t. Enough for Republicans to say they upheld their end but not enough to to actually get a bill passed. But this is how it was always going to be. No length of shutdown was going to save the subsidies. Republicans have no limit to the amount of cruelty they are happy to inflict on everyone. The ultimate point was to make the 2026 election about key pillars of affordability, healthcare being a huge one.
This is so sad and something I recognize intellectually but continue to trip over in this gilded age of unpunished political cynicism.
 
I think this more right than people are comfortable admitting. The minority party has never gotten a major policy concession from a shut down. We now have public attention on and the Republican ownership of skyrocketing healthcare premiums. We now have a case of POTUS not only having to have a judge order him to feed children with funds that were available and for that purpose, but POTUS doubling down on the cruelty and appealing the order!
Personally I didn't think there was that much chance of a policy concession - but I did think there was a chance of Trump strong-arming the Senate into weakening the filibuster, which would be a great thing for everyone. Unfortunately I suspect there are still a couple of Dems in the group that just broke ranks on the vote (Fetterman, King (not technically a Dem) Durbin (who is at least leaving) who still have a hard-on for the filibuster, either for personal or political reasons.
 
My personal perspective on this is that I completely understand why many folks on the left are angry with the Democratic Party and believe that they are a bunch of feckless cowards for seemingly letting the Republicans "off the hook" with the shutdown.
I just want to point out that no one should be mad at the "Democratic Party" they should be mad at the specific people who broke ranks, and maybe throw Schumer in there for not being able to hold the caucus together. But there are also people who think this was the right political decision, so I'll moderate my anger at some of those people for now (the one I definitely won't let off the hook is Fetterman, who is absolutely useless to Dems and who I sincerely hope will be primaried into oblivion at the next opportunity).
 
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