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finesse said:
No it doesn't. There are selfish motives possible which makes them much more probable. Political posturing, beating up on the weak, liking to watch people suffer are all more likely motives than doing good. Going with something we know he does instead of stuff we've only seen him talk about is much smarter. Guess that explains the sides we chose.
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Clearly you and many other will assume the selfish motives are not just probable, but reality. That's fine. The question was asked, I answered with objective actions by Trump. I can't help your subjective view of my objective examples.
 
ZenMode said:
Clearly you and many other will assume the selfish motives are not just probable, but reality. That's fine. The question was asked, I answered with objective actions by Trump. I can't help your subjective view of my objective examples.
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No. I object to the motive you gave. You claimed he did it because he cared. There's no proof that he's ever cared about anybody or anything but himself, with the possible exception of his family. Even that is primarily as an extension of his ego and a pretense to virility.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I’ve posted this before, but I’ll post it again here. The people who transport drugs are generally at the very low end of totem pole in the whole drug trade. Many, if not most, of them are coerced into these jobs. They and their families are threatened with violence and death if they do not follow orders. Many times, they are tortured or forced to watch someone they love being tortured as a scare tactic. They get virtually nothing in return. The people sending them to do these jobs see them as expendable. Many of them are teenagers. Many are old men.

Of course we haven’t yet been shown any evidence that the boats that we’re blowing up are trafficking drugs. But if they are, these are the people being killed and these are the people that Megyn Kelly wants to see suffering.
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Yep, when I was in the Navy, our Frigate stopped a trawler off the coast to Panama in the Pacific. They had over $200 million worth of cocaine. We took them back to Panama, and flew them to Texas for processing. Never seen anybody so happy to get on a plane.
 
uncmba said:
Yep, when I was in the Navy, our Frigate stopped a trawler off the coast to Panama in the Pacific. They had over $200 million worth of cocaine. We took them back to Panama, and flew them to Texas for processing. Never seen anybody so happy to get on a plane.
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That's because they knew Joe Biden wouldn't prosecute them and would give them citizenship with his autopen.
 
ZenMode said:
Besides being very vocal about the issue of drugs entering the US for a decade....
He's destroying drug boats.
He leveraged tariffs, via Executive Order, to force Canada and Mexico to put more attention on stopping drugs crossing the border.
He's threatening military action against Mexico and Valenzuela drug cartel locations.
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Fernando had a drug cartel? That is disappointing,
 
Trump, Hegseth, Leavett double down on the war crime on the temporary survivors of the tiny boat with an outboard motor being double tapped...unless that's a porn of UFC term...and blown to smithereens
The tell on the war crime/murders was when Trump went after Kelly and other decorated officers.

www.bbc.com

US authorised second deadly Venezuela boat strike, White House says

The strikes, authorised by Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth, have raised fresh legality questions - but the White House says laws have been followed.
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Trump cares about and wants his piece of Venezuela's oil -- full stop.

That is the "motive".

Trump's particular brand of "diplomacy" is to allow Russia to take what they want (Ukraine), China to take what they want (Taiwan), with the understanding they those actors will allow him to do similar in Venezuela.

It's not complicated bc Trump is not complicated-- Surprised Trump has yet to just own up to it with a Leslie Chow gif "quid pro crow, muthafuckas"
 
4thgenheel said:
lmao, holy shit man.

repeatedly pardoning truly bad hombre narco traffickers shows that he is not in fact concerned about drugs entering the country.
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If you ignore all of the things is has done and is doing to literally stop drugs from coming into the country.
 
From the Geneva Convention:

Article 3

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

Maybe it's just me, but dropping another bomb to finish them off, doesn't seem to fit within those parameters.
 
Interdiction policies will never solve our drug problems. They'll just keep prices up enough that it's worth the trouble to smuggle them in. At some point, we need to start rethinking our entire drug policy.

As a matter of curiosity, since the legalization of marijuana in many places and the Farm Bill of 2018 is in effect in, I think, 37 states, how often are people convicted of dealing pot? Has there been a dramatic rise in serious problems related to the use? And more sketchy, has there been any studies about the use of minor drugs that people who once used dealers were randomly exposed to. Sure was the way I was exposed to a lot of things for the first time.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
They use it so often you just know it was used by a general in a meeting and none of them knew what it meant so they keep repeating it because they think it makes them sound smart and professional.
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That’s exactly what this shit is. Crap like “kinetic strike” and “warfighter” and “lethality” are all buzz words that are used repeatedly in military education courses and by generals/admirals. Hegseth thinks they make him look smart but they really just make him look like a brainwashed idiot to most people who have served and sat in those classes.
 
ChileG said:
Pete Hegseth told US soldiers in Iraq to ignore legal advice on rules of engagement
Pete Hegseth told US soldiers in Iraq to ignore legal advice on rules of engagement

Guy who brags in a book about how he orders soldiers under his command to ignore rules of engagement would never, ever command soldiers to ignore rules of engagement.
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Which, by the way, Rules of Engagement are orders from theater commanders (4 star Generals typically). Assuming the ROE doesn’t itself violate the law, they are lawful orders. Hegseth telling people to ignore/violate ROE is in fact telling people to violate lawful orders, the very crime he wants to prosecute Mark Kelly for (when Kelly clearly articulated a duty not to follow UN-lawful orders).
 
ZenMode said:
The effectiveness is a separate issue. His actions, misguided or not, clearly show he's concerned about drugs entering the country.
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If he’s concerned about drugs entering the country, then why did he pardon the ex president of Honduras who’s been convicted of helping to smuggle drugs into our country?
 
nycfan said:






Put a pin in this response: “… So I didn't stick around for the hour to two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive sight exploitation digitally occurs. I moved on to my next meeting. A couple hours later I learned that that commander had made the - which he had the complete authority to do, and by the way Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. He sunk the boat, sunk the boat, and eliminated the threat and uh he was the right call, we have his back …”
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Will not age well.
 
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