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During the call, which Trump took from his resort in Florida, he advised the Russian president not to escalate the war in Ukraine and reminded him of Washington’s sizable military presence in Europe, said a person familiar with the call, who, like others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

The two men discussed the goal of peace on the European continent and Trump expressed an interest in follow-up conversations to discuss “the resolution of Ukraine’s war soon,” several of the people said. …”
 
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“… Trump told NBC on Thursday that he had spoken to about 70 world leaders since the election, including Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — a call that Elon Musk also joined.

Ukrainian officials have been informed of the Putin call and did not object to the conversation taking place, said two people familiar with the matter. Ukrainian officials have long understood that Trump would engage with Putin on a diplomatic solution for Ukraine, the people said. …

Trump’s initial calls with world leaders are not being conducted with the support of the State Department and U.S. government interpreters.

The Trump transition team has yet to sign an agreement with the General Services Administration, a standard procedure for presidential transitions. Trump and his aides are distrustful of career government officials following the leaked transcripts of presidential calls during his first term.

“They are just calling [Trump] directly,” one of the people familiar with the calls said. …”
 
Putin knows how to play Trump. He’s going to spank him in public and then deny Trump an audience until he serves him up Ukraine and walks away from NATO.
 
In Ukraine, I'm guessing Trump is going to go for some sort of negotiated peace where Ukraine loses a few provinces but not their whole country. He didn't pull out of Afghanistan because he didn't want to be the person that "lost" the war. I'm guessing he is not going to want to look weak on Ukraine either.

I pity the Palestinians. Most of Gaza will be occupied and the US won't say a peep as Israel gobbles up the West Bank with more settlements.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
In Ukraine, I'm guessing Trump is going to go for some sort of negotiated peace where Ukraine loses a few provinces but not their whole country. He didn't pull out of Afghanistan because he didn't want to be the person that "lost" the war. I'm guessing he is not going to want to look weak on Ukraine either.

I pity the Palestinians. Most of Gaza will be occupied and the US won't say a peep as Israel gobbles up the West Bank with more settlements.
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I don’t find myself in agreement with you often but I think you’re spot on here. I think all of the above that you’ve described is exactly what will happen. The Palestinians are absolutely FUBAR, so hope it was all totally worth it to those Arab voters in Michigan! I am hopeful that Ukraine doesn’t have to make any territorial concessions- hopefully the rest of NATO and the EU will take this opportunity to fill the global leadership void that the United States is about to voluntarily surrender and will let Ukraine take the gloves off. I could not have possibly disagreed more with the Biden administration policy on restraining Ukraine.
 
Purple Nurple said:
What am I missing. It seems like he issued a warning to Putin? I certainly don’t put any stock in anything out of Russian state media.

Additionally, I would be very worried if I were Iran.
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You should be worried ABOUT Iran. They could easily be the jumping off point to a war that consumes the entire Middle East. How does $12 a gallon gas sound?
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Putin knows how to play Trump. He’s going to spank him in public and then deny Trump an audience until he serves him up Ukraine and walks away from NATO.
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You are literally trusting Russian propaganda in making that comment, yet one of your revered sources of information publishes a story where trump is being firm, direct, and strong with Putin and that is your take on the info nycfan has provided so far? Score. Trump 1. Putin 0
 
Callatoroy said:
You are literally trusting Russian propaganda in making that comment, yet one of your revered sources of information publishes a story where trump is being firm, direct, and strong with Putin and that is your take on the info nycfan has provided so far? Score. Trump 1. Putin 0
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You do realize that the only source of information for what Trump and Putin have discussed is Trump himself, correct? He and his transition team have not agreed to participate in normal transition oversight because they do not want any insight into those discussions.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lmfao but but but he’s SOOOOOO BIGLY TOUGH on Russia!!!!

You goddamn fools, you got played like a fiddle.
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Damn Ford, I give you more credit than wayne, but I’m thinking this election has you more rattled than you admit. That info was very positive for trump and the country. Careful not to let your desire to be right out weigh your desire for the country to prosper
 
wmheel1287 said:
You do realize that the only source of information for what Trump and Putin have discussed is Trump himself, correct? He and his transition team have not agreed to participate in normal transition oversight because they do not want any insight into those discussions.
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Certainly the wapo vetted it right? You do trust the wapo don’t you.
 
wmheel1287 said:
You should be worried ABOUT Iran. They could easily be the jumping off point to a war that consumes the entire Middle East. How does $12 a gallon gas sound?
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They made huge strides to a bomb under the Biden administration so they do have to be not taken lightly.
 
Callatoroy said:
Damn Ford, I give you more credit than wayne, but I’m thinking this election has you more rattled than you admit. That info was very positive for trump and the country. Careful not to let your desire to be right out weigh your desire for the country to prosper
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Lmao. Bless your heart. Vlad just posted pictures of Trump’s wife’s tits and snatch on Russian state television, and you think Trump is in any kind of position to dictate anything to him. Godalmighty, I truly thought you were more intelligent. It gives me no pleasure to be proven wrong on that front.

The only way this election has me rattled is that I have to watch bootlickers like you keep your kneepads polished up for the next four years so that you can defend the clearly indefensible. I was looking forward to putting that phase behind us all, but alas!

But no, to your other point, I have zero desire to be right and every desire to cheer for President Trump and the United States of America to be wildly successful over the next four years. I want to be as wrong as wrong can be. I want for you and every other Trump voter to be able to rub all of the success in my face and tell me I was wrong. I will gladly, graciously, and extraordinarily happily be wrong if it means that President Trump and the USA are thriving. Unlike you and many members of your political movement, I don’t only love my country when my preferred political party or preferred presidential candidate wins an election. So, yeah, I hope Trump truly does make America great- for all of us.

By the way, Roy, I am really intrigued about this bizarre fixation you apparently have on whether or not I am sufficiently upset about the results of the election. This is like the third or fourth time you’ve referenced it. It is clearly bothering you that I and many others on here aren’t really negatively emotionally impacted at all by this outcome. Why is that?
 
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CFordUNC said:
I don’t find myself in agreement with you often but I think you’re spot on here. I think all of the above that you’ve described is exactly what will happen. The Palestinians are absolutely FUBAR, so hope it was all totally worth it to those Arab voters in Michigan! I am hopeful that Ukraine doesn’t have to make any territorial concessions- hopefully the rest of NATO and the EU will take this opportunity to fill the global leadership void that the United States is about to voluntarily surrender and will let Ukraine take the gloves off. I could not have possibly disagreed more with the Biden administration policy on restraining Ukraine.
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I think it’s naive to believe 1) Putin only wanted a li’l piece of Ukraine or 2) that he gives a single shit what Trump would like for him to do. I mean, Trump has campaigned for months on ending aid to Ukraine and how he would end that conflict in 24 hours. He’s already revealed what matters to him personally and lost considerable leverage. What’s he going to do if Putin says “nah, fuck that, I’m taking it all”? Put US troops east of Kyiv? Give Ukraine 500 long range missiles and tell them to pound St Petersburg and Moscow? He’ll just fold and say he tried but Zelensky wouldn’t negotiate.
 
CFordUNC said:
Lmao. Bless your heart. Vlad just posted pictures of Trump’s wife’s tits and snatch on Russian state television, and you think Trump is in any kind of position to dictate anything to him. Godalmighty, I truly thought you were more intelligent. It gives me no pleasure to be proven wrong on that front.

The only way this election has me rattled is that I have to watch bootlickers like you keep your kneepads polished up for the next four years so that you can defend the clearly indefensible. I was looking forward to putting that phase behind us all, but alas!

But no, to your other point, I have zero desire to be right and every desire to cheer for President Trump and the United States of America to be wildly successful over the next four years. I want to be as wrong as wrong can be. I want for you and every other Trump voter to be able to rub all of the success in my face and tell me I was wrong. I will gladly, graciously, and extraordinarily happily be wrong if it means that President Trump and the USA are thriving. Unlike you and many members of your political movement, I don’t only love my country when my preferred political party or preferred presidential candidate wins an election. So, yeah, I hope Trump truly does make America great- for all of us.

By the way, Roy, I am really intrigued about this bizarre fixation you apparently have on whether or not I am sufficiently upset about the results of the election. This is like the third or fourth time you’ve referenced it. It is clearly bothering you that I and many others on here aren’t really negatively emotionally impacted at all by this outcome. Why is that?
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This is a bit off topic temporarily, but this is a great case-in-point example of what I’ve been saying. It is completely short-circuiting right wingers that the majority of us aren’t melting down or losing our shit or protesting or really doing anything other than, *shrug* “congrats on the win, hope you guys get what it was you voted for!” It is driving them crazy. So weird.

 
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