AA / Blackhawk Crash and other Crash and FAA News

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altmin said:
Looks like the right landing gear buckled, causing it to tip the right and snap off the wing, where the fuel ignited. Lift on the remaining left wing caused it to raise up then turn over.
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I saw on the news that a flying expert was saying that the descent appeared normal, but at the end, the front of the plane didn't go up like it usually does when it lands and that caused it to hit hard on the right tire causing it to flip. He was saying that the strong wind could have been a factor or that the snow on the runway made it hard for the pilot to see and he didn't pull up in time.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I wonder if the child was an infant in a parent’s lap. I’ve never understood why they make you stow your 2 pound tablet, but it’s okay to have a 20 pound human just sitting there.
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The logic used is that flying is much safer than driving. Bean counters figured out that for every infant lost in an airliner crash due to being unsecured, something like 20 infants would be lost due to car accidents due to the parents driving instead of buying an airplane ticket for their infant.
 
Calheel said:
Planes crash all the time. It is absolutely routine. The only unusual thing was commercial plane crashes with deaths. This is a non-story.

This is becoming like the drone panic from a few months ago.
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There were 80 plane crashes in January 2024 and 60 something in January 2025.

A while back I was sort of dragging you about your casual dismissal of the mega crash in PA, but your overall point seems to be correct.
 
Yeah, the small aircraft industry hides behind the very low risk of commercial air travel in the United States but small/private craft have a 25x higher crash rate and the average annual fatalities are about the size of a large commercial aircraft (200-250/year).
 
nycfan said:
25x higher crash rate and the average annual fatalities are about the size of a large commercial aircraft (200-250/year).
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Why? Inexperienced pilots? Shitty on-board plane course correction systems? ATC shortages at smaller airports?
 
superrific said:
Why? Inexperienced pilots? Shitty on-board plane course correction systems? ATC shortages at smaller airports?
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Private pilots (like the rancher who gets his pilot license) are particularly risky, but also there has been explosive growth of private aviation the last 30 years and the talent of not just pilots but mechanics is spread pretty thin. There are also more and more private planes out there that are 20-30+ year-old retreads with ancient tech being flown. And they are flying into private airports and landing strips what don’t have the kind of high quality air traffic control professionals and planning as our commercial ATC. Plus they are (mostly MUCH) smaller craft that are inherently less safe in all phases, more susceptible to weather issues and less likely to survive an impact.
 
nycfan said:
Private pilots (like the rancher who gets his pilot license) are particularly risky, but also there has been explosive growth of private aviation the last 30 years and the talent of not just pilots but mechanics is spread pretty thin. There are also more and more private planes out there that are 20-30+ year-old retreads with ancient tech being flown. And they are flying into private airports and landing strips what don’t have the kind of high quality air traffic control professionals and planning as our commercial ATC. Plus they are (mostly MUCH) smaller craft that are inherently less safe in all phases, more susceptible to weather issues and less likely to survive an impact.
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I see. How do you know so much about this? Have you helped finance private aircraft?
 
superrific said:
Why? Inexperienced pilots? Shitty on-board plane course correction systems? ATC shortages at smaller airports?
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Definitely less experienced AND less skilled pilots. The day JFK Jr. died flying his own plane was not a day for inexperienced pilots (the skies over NY/NE were pea-soup with humidity, smog, haze, etc.); one needed to be skilled AND experienced at flying by instruments - Kennedy wasn’t.

Add in poorer maintenance (think about how many poorly maintained vehicles are on the road). Some (most?) people will faithfully maintain their aircraft. Some won’t.

Smaller aircraft have less ability to fly over bad weather. Some don’t have the speed to fly around the bad weather. Might not have sufficient fuel to avoid bad weather.
 

Trump Urged to Halt Firings at the F.A.A.​

After a string of deadly plane crashes, lawmakers and union members are urging the president to protect the transportation department from further personnel cuts.

www.nytimes.com

Trump Urged to Halt Firings at the FAA

After a string of deadly plane crashes, lawmakers and union members are urging the president to protect the transportation department from further personnel cuts.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

[meh pressure from Dem Senators — unless it is GOP pressure, don’t see it having much impact]
 
My best friend’s son is a pilot for AA. Found out tonight that his son knew both of the pilots on that flight.
 
StrangePackage said:
As one of my old law professors used to say, if it floats, flies, or fucks, it's cheaper to rent than to buy.
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That bit of advice was relayed to me many years ago by a big ol’ fat man living in a big ol’ house with a big ol’ dock on the Tennessee River in Killen, Alabama.
 
nycfan said:
Private pilots (like the rancher who gets his pilot license) are particularly risky, but also there has been explosive growth of private aviation the last 30 years and the talent of not just pilots but mechanics is spread pretty thin. There are also more and more private planes out there that are 20-30+ year-old retreads with ancient tech being flown. And they are flying into private airports and landing strips what don’t have the kind of high quality air traffic control professionals and planning as our commercial ATC. Plus they are (mostly MUCH) smaller craft that are inherently less safe in all phases, more susceptible to weather issues and less likely to survive an impact.
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Correct. I ended up canceling my G650 purchase order because of this very thing.
 
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