American political violence — Is there an off-ramp?

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In a moment of heightened (and it feels like accelerating) political extremism and violence, is there an off-ramp?

Turning the other cheek is portrayed as capitulation to naziism or communism or whatever ism even for relatively minor insults.

How do we bring down the rhetorical temperature? Or perhaps some think the question is should we do so?

The exact same day (about an hour apart in time) that Kirk was assassinated by a young man radicalized by some hatred of Kirk so intense that it led him to plan and carry out the murder, a 16-year-old boy was so thoroughly radicalized that he went through reload after reload of ammo trying to kill his classmates before turning the gun on himself. The main thing that may have limited the casualties was that he only had access to a handgun instead of a more high powered firearm.

Whatever his political or other motivations, the guy who killed Kirk followed certain behaviors of other radicalized mass murderers, including etching symbols on his bullets.

And the head of the FBI offered a frankly odd sign-off to Kirk (“we have the watch and I’ll see you in Valhalla”), that was presumably unintentionally but nonetheless eerily similar to the suicide note of the Christchurch mass killer (“I will see you all in Valhalla”). I’m willing to assume that Kash was just engaging in cosplay based on Avengers movies or maybe cobbling together tough guy bro talk he hears from marines and he is too incompetent to be aware of the Christchurch killer’s sign off.

But a guy in that position ought to be a lot more circumspect about his rhetoric.

So, what can we do? What should we do?

Can we even have a constructive dialogue about this that won’t immediately devolve into some version of Trump’s [/paraphrasing] radicals on my side are justified and radicals in the other side are evil [/end] framing?
 
I can only look to other times of great polarization that we made it through to the other side...

The War for Independence
The Civil War
The Civil Rights Movement
The Vietnam War

There were other lesser schisms...in fact, we've always been at odds with one another it appears as we look back over the historical record. This is one of the most telling reality checks that I get as I work in various ways in Newspaper.com.

A lot of damage, destruction, and death in our past.
 
I would feel much better about it if we had a President who could be a leader in the process of bringing down the temperature and reaching out for reconciliation. But I suspect even Trump supporters will admit that is not a role he will ever accept. He is an antagonist and will only make matters worse. I truly do not see an off-ramp with Trump as President, especially given the people he has chosen to surround himself with. There is not a peacemaker in this administration.
 
I would feel much better about it if we had a President who could be a leader in the process of bringing down the temperature and reaching out for reconciliation. But I suspect even Trump supporters will admit that is not a role he will ever accept. He is an antagonist and will only make matters worse. I truly do not see an off-ramp with Trump as President, especially given the people he has chosen to surround himself with. There is not a peacemaker in this administration.
Do you think a cool the rhetoric / reach across the aisle candidate could win the nomination for Democrats or Republicans in 2028?

If not, and both sides run a flamethrower, could an independent heal the divide type candidate have a legitimate chance to win a state?
 
Do you think a cool the rhetoric / reach across the aisle candidate could win the nomination for Democrats or Republicans in 2028?

If not, and both sides run a flamethrower, could an independent heal the divide type candidate have a legitimate chance to win a state?
I will answer the second question first. I do not believe an independent/third party candidate could win electoral votes in this country now. It has been more than half a century since it has happened, and that was George Wallace running on a segregationist platform carrying the heart of Dixie (AL, AR, GA, LA, MS) on the heels of the Civil Rights Act. The way election finance works now, I don’t think it is feasible to win a state without major party support.

As for your first question I just don’t know who that candidate could be.
 
I can only look to other times of great polarization that we made it through to the other side...

The War for Independence
The Civil War
The Civil Rights Movement
The Vietnam War

There were other lesser schisms...in fact, we've always been at odds with one another it appears as we look back over the historical record. This is one of the most telling reality checks that I get as I work in various ways in Newspaper.com.

A lot of damage, destruction, and death in our past.
I think a massively catastrophic major recession/depression that is clearly tied to Trump’s insane economic policies could really change the balance of power for a while. And that seems entirely possible.

But for long term stability, we MUST have a more balanced Supreme Court that actually believes in separation of powers and checks and balances.
 
bernie was gaining a lot of traction until the dem party railroaded him but he was an idiot for ever running as a dem.
 
I will answer the second question first. I do not believe an independent/third party candidate could win electoral votes in this country now. It has been more than half a century since it has happened, and that was George Wallace running on a segregationist platform carrying the heart of Dixie (AL, AR, GA, LA, MS) on the heels of the Civil Rights Act. The way election finance works now, I don’t think it is feasible to win a state without major party support.

As for your first question I just don’t know who that candidate could be.
Musk could almost certainly find a loophole and back a third party candidate with the funding needed to win. The problem is, whoever he chose would be even more dangerous than anyone either party put up.

I’d love to see the United States move closer to the system the UK has, which admittedly I understand about as well as I understand cricket.

But this rise in tension is not an American problem alone. Social media algorithms, as they exist right now, are malignant. And we are all guilty of being influenced by them, to a varying degree.
 
I am not worried about a slow rise in political violence because I think that is the least of the horrible scenarios we face.

People on the right from the top down are calling for war and oppression of the left. This is in spite of the evidence that their narrative around this shooting has been completely wrong.

They want complete and total control and will use any opportunity, even if they have to lie, to gain it.

At this point I just hope our voting (meaning we actually have a choice) and first amendment rights are all we lose.

If it comes to that I will have no choice but to submit because I have a vulnerable member in my family.

I hope to goodness that in one or two years one of our posters from the right digs up this post to mock me for being so wrong. I really do.
 
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