America’s Misinformation Crisis

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Somehow this thread has become a living embodiment of the misinformation crisis. Instead of talking about the crisis itself, a bad actor has come in and moved the conversation based on misinformation that he himself has fallen victim to. Can we just mute him and move on with the business of this thread?
 
My point, which I struggle to remember now, was related to the fact that peoples' views of truth vs misinformation are impacted by their bias and political views, which are also impacted news coverage. TV news tends to give attention to stories that get ratings.

It would take some time to find it, but the most recent study on police shootings showed that white people, as a percentage of police interactions (vs per capita) are more likely to be shot than black people.
And this is a perfect example of making numbers say what one wants them to. This statement seems to indicate that white people are at greater risk, which isn't true. That's why we use per capita numbers.

I do agree that everyone has some bias. But with so much information available, if one wants to overcome their biases and know more of the truth they can. Most of the low knowledge voters (trump voters) don't care to know the truth, they just accept what fits into their worldview.

This is the basic problem with the social medial algorithms, because they are focused on keeping one engaged and therefore making more money, their algorithms keep feeding them the same information. It doesn't give them counter arguments or dissenting opinions.

But if one takes the time to do some reading and is willing to accept information from noted expert sources, even if it disagrees with their current position, then they can overcome the biases.

Like those who are claiming the economy is horrible. What do the numbers actually report?
1) We know that inflation is coming down, the CIP and other measurement tools indicate that.
2) We know this isn't the worst inflation we've ever had, I'm sure those who had 17% mortgage interest rates in the late '70's can attest to that.
3) We know that most every noted economist is impressed by the US being able to achieve a soft landing without a recession coming out of the COVID issues.
4) We know that the Fed reduced the rates because all of their indicators show the inflation slowing.
5) We know that we have great unemployment numbers and new jobs numbers.

These things, my bias has no bearing on, they are provable facts. So biases can be overcome.

Now if one wants to not read any of this information and claim that because their groceries went up 10% that the economy is tanking, that is their bias speaking.

To be honest, I basically don't watch the news. I have multiple new sources, podcast, and websites that I trust and frequent for my news.
 
Somehow this thread has become a living embodiment of the misinformation crisis. Instead of talking about the crisis itself, a bad actor has come in and moved the conversation based on misinformation that he himself has fallen victim to. Can we just mute him and move on with the business of this thread?
Sorry for my contribution.

We should have all listened several pages back when @superrific said to start another thread.

In the end, they are sort of proving how misinformation affects people.
 
I found this an important observation that helps understand this nihilist behavior:

“… Michael Caulfield, an information researcher at the University of Washington, has argued, “The primary use of ‘misinformation’ is not to change the beliefs of other people at all. Instead, the vast majority of misinformation is offered as a service for people to maintain their beliefs in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.” This distinction is important, in part because it assigns agency to those who consume and share obviously fake information. …

What we’re witnessing online during and in the aftermath of these hurricanes is a group of people desperate to protect the dark, fictitious world they’ve built.

Rather than deal with the realities of a warming planet hurling once-in-a-generation storms at them every few weeks, they’d rather malign and threaten meteorologists, who, in their minds, are “nothing but a trained subversive liar programmed to spew stupid shit to support the global warming bullshit,” as one X user put it. It is a strategy designed to silence voices of reason, because those voices threaten to expose the cracks in their current worldview. But their efforts are doomed, futile.

As one dispirited meteorologist wrote on X this week, “Murdering meteorologists won’t stop hurricanes.” She followed with: “I can’t believe I just had to type that.” …”
My brother was a meteorologist for the NWS until he was forced to retire due to long COVID after he fell for antivax propaganda.

He still doubles down on his stance despite having a horrible quality of life.

There is some kind of irony here. I wonder if being a target of misinformation would make he rethink things.
 
Mueller made it clear in his testimony, as is clear in the report, that he didn’t exonerate Trump for anything.
If that's the case, what does this mean:

the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities

We are talking about the issue of misinformation. I am quoting directly from the report a section that says Trump did not conspire, yet that is viewed as misinformation?

If quoting directly from the report of the investigation isn't sufficient, what would be sufficient for you to believe that Trump and his campaign did not conspire?
 
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If that's the case, what does this mean:

the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities

We are talking about the issue of misinformation. I am quoting directly from the report a section that says Trump did not conspire, yet that is viewed as misinformation?

If quoting directly from the report of the investigation isn't sufficient, what would be sufficient for you to believe that Trump and his campaign did not conspire?
You are eliding the difference between “the investigation did not establish collusion” and “the investigation established that there was no collusion.” Mueller didn’t confirm there was no collusion, he simply didn’t think he could prove it happened. Mainly because it was unclear whether the Trump campaign was knowingly working with the Russians or were just a bunch of absolute morons being unwittingly manipulated by the Russians.
 
You are eliding the difference between “the investigation did not establish collusion” and “the investigation established that there was no collusion.” Mueller didn’t confirm there was no collusion, he simply didn’t think he could prove it happened. Mainly because it was unclear whether the Trump campaign was knowingly working with the Russians or were just a bunch of absolute morons being unwittingly manipulated by the Russians.
Ditto. And Trump’s obstruction of the investigation was a main part of the reason Mueller couldn’t obtain sufficient evidence to bring conspiracy charges.
 
You are eliding the difference between “the investigation did not establish collusion” and “the investigation established that there was no collusion.” Mueller didn’t confirm there was no collusion, he simply didn’t think he could prove it happened. Mainly because it was unclear whether the Trump campaign was knowingly working with the Russians or were just a bunch of absolute morons being unwittingly manipulated by the Russians.
He said they were duped. I referenced that earlier. Not surprisingly, the Clinton campaign was not duped.

So, he saying they didn't know they were interacting with Russian accounts. He didn't find anything that lead him to believe they conspired. At this point, barring any new information, shouldn't we believe he DIDN'T conspire? At the very least, believing he didn't conspire shouldn't be labeled as misinformation while believing he did, which is contrary to what the report says, is accurate information.
 
This is just batshit craziness going on

FEMA contractors ordered to “stand down” after security threats, messages show



Sunday evening, the Washington Post first reported messages about reports of threats to FEMA-affiliated workers in Rutherford County. WBTV has independently confirmed that reporting with sources with direct knowledge of the threats.

The news comes after FEMA workers across Hurricane Helene’s disaster zone in western North Carolina have been targeted with misinformation and rumors about the federal government’s recovery operations in the area.

“Effective immediately, disaster wide -- cease inspections today and return to your hotels,” an alert from Vanguard Inspection Services read on Saturday. “FEMA received news that the Title 10 (active military unit deployed to NC) came across some trucks of militia units who said they were out hunting FEMA personnel.”
 
It really is a perfect storm(no pun intended) for this type of thing to happen. The NC mountains are already filled with pockets of people who hate the government , throw in this terrible disaster where people are scared and frustrated and you have perfect lab conditions for conspiracy theories to grow and fester.
 
This is just batshit craziness going on

FEMA contractors ordered to “stand down” after security threats, messages show



Sunday evening, the Washington Post first reported messages about reports of threats to FEMA-affiliated workers in Rutherford County. WBTV has independently confirmed that reporting with sources with direct knowledge of the threats.

The news comes after FEMA workers across Hurricane Helene’s disaster zone in western North Carolina have been targeted with misinformation and rumors about the federal government’s recovery operations in the area.

“Effective immediately, disaster wide -- cease inspections today and return to your hotels,” an alert from Vanguard Inspection Services read on Saturday. “FEMA received news that the Title 10 (active military unit deployed to NC) came across some trucks of militia units who said they were out hunting FEMA personnel.”
These people are dangerous from an immediate threat of harm standpoint and from a long-term threat to our entire democracy standpoint. At what point does the federal government take an extremely aggressive stance to punish them?
 
This is just batshit craziness going on

FEMA contractors ordered to “stand down” after security threats, messages show



Sunday evening, the Washington Post first reported messages about reports of threats to FEMA-affiliated workers in Rutherford County. WBTV has independently confirmed that reporting with sources with direct knowledge of the threats.

The news comes after FEMA workers across Hurricane Helene’s disaster zone in western North Carolina have been targeted with misinformation and rumors about the federal government’s recovery operations in the area.

“Effective immediately, disaster wide -- cease inspections today and return to your hotels,” an alert from Vanguard Inspection Services read on Saturday. “FEMA received news that the Title 10 (active military unit deployed to NC) came across some trucks of militia units who said they were out hunting FEMA personnel.”
A military unit encountered a truck full of armed people saying they were "hunting" FEMA personnel ... and they just let them go???
 
A military unit encountered a truck full of armed people saying they were "hunting" FEMA personnel ... and they just let them go???
They don't have the legal right to do anything, I'm pretty sure. I actually think they are prohibited from any law enforcement duties, barring the declaration of martial law.
 
They don't have the legal right to do anything, I'm pretty sure. I actually think they are prohibited from any law enforcement duties, barring the declaration of martial law.
Fair enough. But I hope they at least gave the authorities details on who and where they were? Of course for all we know half the militia were law enforcement themselves.
 
Think how emboldened these terrorists would get if they were "approached" by any government organization of any kind. It would literally provide instant validation that the government is after them. It's a win-win for them.
 
This is just batshit craziness going on

FEMA contractors ordered to “stand down” after security threats, messages show



Sunday evening, the Washington Post first reported messages about reports of threats to FEMA-affiliated workers in Rutherford County. WBTV has independently confirmed that reporting with sources with direct knowledge of the threats.

The news comes after FEMA workers across Hurricane Helene’s disaster zone in western North Carolina have been targeted with misinformation and rumors about the federal government’s recovery operations in the area.

“Effective immediately, disaster wide -- cease inspections today and return to your hotels,” an alert from Vanguard Inspection Services read on Saturday. “FEMA received news that the Title 10 (active military unit deployed to NC) came across some trucks of militia units who said they were out hunting FEMA personnel.”
Terrible. These FEMA folks are trying to help people going through some of the worst times of their lives and these wingnuts are not only threatening the helpers but also stopping the help.
 
It really is a perfect storm(no pun intended) for this type of thing to happen. The NC mountains are already filled with pockets of people who hate the government , throw in this terrible disaster where people are scared and frustrated and you have perfect lab conditions for conspiracy theories to grow and fester.
Agree. I LOVE the NC mountains. Love the people there. But for malicious right wing anti-government conspiracists, this thing has been a bathtub of chum being tossed in the water.
 
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