America's Reichstag fire??? (ICE, Nat’l Guard & Military in LA)

[theel4life]

Trump makes my skin crawl.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Fox has a "brain room?" LOL. That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

“… Multiple defense officials with direct knowledge of the situation told Military.com the chaotic and sudden activation of troops has effectively clogged up the flow of administrative work.

Those Guardsmen will likely receive formal orders and the proper backpay within the next few days, but that hasn't eased the concerns for troops anxious over potential financial strains and juggling family logistics, as the Guard does not assist with child or pet care. Though with the mission only a few days old, troops haven’t missed a paycheck yet….”

 

[nycfan]

 

[mpaer]

What a proud legal profession that is today............

 

[nycfan]

 

[sringwal]

Trump is correct here. That is, indeed, what people voted for.

 

[ZenMode]

Trump is correct here. That is, indeed, what people voted for.

It is. Trump definitely tried to portray himself as the "law and order" candidate in contrast to at least the perception of the Democrats.

There's some good amateur video of the rioting in LA on Instagram/YouTube. In the video below, you see a protester take a full can of garbage and dump it on the street next to a sheriff and you hear the sheriff say "It's your city."

In principle, I absolutely support sending in the national guard to deal with the rioters in LA. Protest all you want. I don't even mind a little civil disobedience, but when it starts to turn into rioting and looting, I would like to see a swift and stifling response.

However, I don't like that he did it without the consent of California and, as the sheriff said, "It's your city". If CA leadership wants to let rioters destroy parts of the city with fires, looting, graffiti and general destruction, who are we, or the President, to get in its way?

 

[ZenMode]

ICE agents ram a car with a baby and toddler inside to arrest someone.

ICE agents ram car to take man into custody in Boyle Heights

A man was arrested in Boyle Heights Wednesday morning after ICE agents rammed into his car and pinned it between two unmarked cars.

abc7.com

As the video, and minimal damage to the car, shows there was no "ramming" happening here.

Does anyone expect ICE agents to know there are kids in the car?

Assuming it's true, does anyone expect a man, with his wife and kids, is going to punch a CBP agent and the flee in his vehicle?

 

[ZenMode]

 

[superrific]

As the video, and minimal damage to the car, shows there was no "ramming" happening here.

Does anyone expect ICE agents to know there are kids in the car?

Assuming it's true, does anyone expect a man, with his wife and kids, is going to punch a CBP agent and the flee in his vehicle?

1. He didn't punch the agent there. The allegation was that he punched some other agent somewhere else. Judging by the track record of those involved, very likely not true.

2. They used fucking tear gas, dude. Why would you use tear gas? It actually is the responsibility of the LEO to consider the possibility that there are other people in the car, including children -- because, you know, a lot of people use their cars to transport children. So here we have a single guy, unarmed, surrounded by cars that had rammed him, potentially with passengers and they fucking used tear gas. You're going to defend that shit?

3. I'd be pissed too if multiple unmarked vehicles rammed my car. You don't think the officers should know that there were kids in the car? Well, how is this guy supposed to know that these are law enforcement officers? He probably thought he was being carjacked.

 

[4thgenheel]

right. the hypocrisy is a feature. they back law enforcement only when it does what they want.

 

[BillOfRights]

It is. Trump definitely tried to portray himself as the "law and order" candidate in contrast to at least the perception of the Democrats.

There's some good amateur video of the rioting in LA on Instagram/YouTube. In the video below, you see a protester take a full can of garbage and dump it on the street next to a sheriff and you hear the sheriff say "It's your city."

In principle, I absolutely support sending in the national guard to deal with the rioters in LA. Protest all you want. I don't even mind a little civil disobedience, but when it starts to turn into rioting and looting, I would like to see a swift and stifling response.

However, I don't like that he did it without the consent of California and, as the sheriff said, "It's your city". If CA leadership wants to let rioters destroy parts of the city with fires, looting, graffiti and general destruction, who are we, or the President, to get in its way?

 

[StrangePackage]

right. the hypocrisy is a feature. they back law enforcement only when it does what they want.

Law and order as always meant the use of the force under color of law to support their preferred social order.

It's why they are not the rule of law party - they hate the rule of law.

 

[ZenMode]

1. He didn't punch the agent there. The allegation was that he punched some other agent somewhere else.

Right.

Judging by the track record of those involved, very likely not true.

Speculative.

2. They used fucking tear gas, dude. Why would you use tear gas? It actually is the responsibility of the LEO to consider the possibility that there are other people in the car, including children -- because, you know, a lot of people use their cars to transport children. So here we have a single guy, unarmed, surrounded by cars that had rammed him, potentially with passengers and they fucking used tear gas. You're going to defend that shit?

I have no issue with the officers using their vehicles to pin in the fleeing vehicle. That's pretty common in law enforcement. The tear gas, if that was used, seems excessive.

3. I'd be pissed too if multiple unmarked vehicles rammed my car.

Me too. Of course, I wouldn't punch a CBP agent and then flee the scene. FAFO, I guess.

You don't think the officers should know that there were kids in the car?

No. How would they? If I were law enforcement and heard about someone punching an CBP agent and fleeing, my first assumption would be that they are alone. What kind of a-hole punches a CBP agent and flees when he's with his family?

Well, how is this guy supposed to know that these are law enforcement officers? He probably thought he was being carjacked.

He probably wouldn't. The pick-up had flashing lights, but I don't believe federal agents have the normal red and blue lights that police have.

 

[StrangePackage]

Fuck fascists and especially fuck their apologists

 

[ZenMode]

Penalty: Inappropriate and Baseless use of Racism.

Many white rioters are present in LA.

 

[superrific]

Speculative.

No. How would they? If I were law enforcement and heard about someone punching an CBP agent and fleeing, my first assumption would be that they are alone. What kind of a-hole punches a CBP agent and flees when he's with his family?

How would they? That's exactly why law enforcement officers are supposed to take account of that possibility in standard procedure. Because you don't know in an individual case, but you're sure that it's common overall, the policy is not to risk it.

I said judging by their record in other cases, these allegations are almost certainly false. That is not speculative. Maybe this case is different, but why would you give them the benefit of the doubt when pretty much every high profile thing they have done is a) illegal; b) premised on lies; and c) involved DOJ or other federal officials lying to the courts?

 

[Calheel]

Penalty: Inappropriate and Baseless use of Racism.

Many white rioters are present in LA.

You want to take a crack at the white to non-white rioter ratio between Jan 6th and LA? Which one do you think more closely resembled Peter Griffin's skin tone, on average?