America's Reichstag fire??? (ICE, Nat’l Guard & Military in LA)

ZenMode said:
I do and ignored it because comparing the science of race to phrenology is disingenuous if not flat out trolling.
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To resolve this dispute definitively, I googled “the science of race” and this is the first thing that popped up —

“The science of race, or "race science," is a historical field of study that sought to classify humans into distinct biological races based on physical characteristics and believed to be associated with innate differences in intelligence, behavior, and abilities. Modern science has largely debunked race science, recognizing that race is primarily a social construct rather than a biological reality.”

Sorry bud. Even AI is trending against you on this one.
 
After all,race science started with only the most open minded people driving it.


Joseph Arthur de Gobineau (French: [ɡɔbino]; 14 July 1816 – 13 October 1882) was a French writer and diplomat who is best known for helping introduce scientific race theory and "racial demography", and for developing the theory of the Aryan master race and Nordicism. He was an elitist who, in the immediate aftermath of the Revolutions of 1848, wrote An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races. In it he argued that aristocrats were superior to commoners and that aristocrats possessed more Aryan genetic traits because of less interbreeding with inferior races.
 
finesse said:
After all,race science started with only the most open minded people driving it.


Joseph Arthur de Gobineau (French: [ɡɔbino]; 14 July 1816 – 13 October 1882) was a French writer and diplomat who is best known for helping introduce scientific race theory and "racial demography", and for developing the theory of the Aryan master race and Nordicism. He was an elitist who, in the immediate aftermath of the Revolutions of 1848, wrote An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races. In it he argued that aristocrats were superior to commoners and that aristocrats possessed more Aryan genetic traits because of less interbreeding with inferior races.
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And Linnaeus, a century earlier (he would have included people of Mexican descent as "Red," to circle back to Zen's original claim that hispanics would have been labeled as white.

www.uu.se

Linnaeus’ complicated relationship with racism - Uppsala University

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ZenMode said:
I do and ignored it because comparing the science of race to phrenology is disingenuous if not flat out trolling.
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Literally the science of race was built on phrenology. That's like saying comparing relativity to Newton's Laws is disingenuous.
 
In biological science admixture distance is a continuous variable that can be categorized in any number of ways. It is often categorized as a means of simplifying statistical analyses e.g., regression or to increase statistical power.

But it is a continuous variable.
 
Carolina Fever said:
ICE agents ram a car with a baby and toddler inside to arrest someone.

abc7.com

ICE agents ram car to take man into custody in Boyle Heights

A man was arrested in Boyle Heights Wednesday morning after ICE agents rammed into his car and pinned it between two unmarked cars.
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Looks like we should find out if there was an assault....

Cerna-Camacho, who revealed he had 'two kids in my car' at the time of the collision, slowly walked towards police with his hands behind his head.

He was placed in handcuffs and searched as he, in a soft spoken tone, seemingly tried to plead with the agents and claimed he was not a criminal.

But one agent hit back and asked, 'you remember Saturday?', referring to the day Cerna-Camacho allegedly assaulted an officer during a riot.

He admitted he remembered the incident, before saying how he was the victim of officers who 'put their hands on me'.

'Yes, I remember you when you pushed on me. You pushed me,' Cerna-Camacho said. 'Yes, I remember what happened. I know you guys put your hands on me first.'

The officer, however, did not show any sympathy for Cerna-Camacho and instead reminded him how he has video of the incident.

But the suspect, who also claimed to video, continued to plea: 'I was on a public road, man. I was on a public road. I was on a public road.

'I was on public property. I was in the middle of the street and you pushed me. You put your hands on me.'

The ICE officer remained unphazed by Cerna-Camacho's claims, reiterating once again how the alleged assault was caught on camera.
www.dailymail.co.uk

'LA rioter' stops acting the big man after being caught by cops

Christian Cerna-Camacho was apprehended Wednesday morning by ICE agents who rammed their vehicles into his car. He was placed in handcuffs and seemingly tried to plea with police.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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ZenMode said:
Looks like we should find out if there was an assault....

Cerna-Camacho, who revealed he had 'two kids in my car' at the time of the collision, slowly walked towards police with his hands behind his head.

He was placed in handcuffs and searched as he, in a soft spoken tone, seemingly tried to plead with the agents and claimed he was not a criminal.

But one agent hit back and asked, 'you remember Saturday?', referring to the day Cerna-Camacho allegedly assaulted an officer during a riot.

He admitted he remembered the incident, before saying how he was the victim of officers who 'put their hands on me'.

'Yes, I remember you when you pushed on me. You pushed me,' Cerna-Camacho said. 'Yes, I remember what happened. I know you guys put your hands on me first.'

The officer, however, did not show any sympathy for Cerna-Camacho and instead reminded him how he has video of the incident.

But the suspect, who also claimed to video, continued to plea: 'I was on a public road, man. I was on a public road. I was on a public road.

'I was on public property. I was in the middle of the street and you pushed me. You put your hands on me.'

The ICE officer remained unphazed by Cerna-Camacho's claims, reiterating once again how the alleged assault was caught on camera.
www.dailymail.co.uk

'LA rioter' stops acting the big man after being caught by cops

Christian Cerna-Camacho was apprehended Wednesday morning by ICE agents who rammed their vehicles into his car. He was placed in handcuffs and seemingly tried to plea with police.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Without any other facts, I will believe the guy over the border patrol fascist every single time. Those fascists lie. All. The. Time. Literally there are contempt proceedings happening in MULTIPLE COURTS (four by my count) because of all the lying and cover ups.

Note also that it does not appear he was Mirandized, but that's no surprise, is it?
 
ZenMode said:
And the science of race continued long after phrenology was debunked.
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How long do you think the science of race persisted? It's been considered completely lacking in merit since World War II.

One way to know that there is no science of race is that there's no scientific definition of race. Is a person with one white parent and one black parent "caucausian" or "black"? You don't get to choose a middle option here; you're talking about the science of race. So if you can't even determine what race a person is, there's obviously no scientific validity to any of it.

Another way to know is that race is defined in terms of skin color. But skin color is a tiny % of our genome, and not really related to any other features or traits. I'm sure you don't understand "admixture dynamics" but the way things work, traits don't remain clustered together (if they were clustered at some initial point) so long as there is mating between groups. Which we know 100% there has been, and a lot of it.

Another way to know that there's no science of race is the tremendous amount of migration within the species. Did you know that Spaniards are descended from Visigoths (German) and Moors (North African)? Scandanavians generally have no relation to Arabs, but they did interbreed with native Eskimo and Laplander populations. You want to group Scandanavians and Spaniards together, but they don't have a common ancestral history. Thus any racial traits they share aren't scientifically determined but culturally established.
 
superrific said:
How long do you think the science of race persisted? It's been considered completely lacking in merit since World War II.
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I don't search for race very often but, as of a few years ago, you could still find reputable universities and other reputable institutions providing information on the commonly accepted 3-5 human races.
superrific said:
One way to know that there is no science of race is that there's no scientific definition of race. Is a person with one white parent and one black parent "caucausian" or "black"? You don't get to choose a middle option here; you're talking about the science of race. So if you can't even determine what race a person is, there's obviously no scientific validity to any of it.

Another way to know is that race is defined in terms of skin color. But skin color is a tiny % of our genome, and not really related to any other features or traits. I'm sure you don't understand "admixture dynamics" but the way things work, traits don't remain clustered together (if they were clustered at some initial point) so long as there is mating between groups. Which we know 100% there has been, and a lot of it.

Another way to know that there's no science of race is the tremendous amount of migration within the species. Did you know that Spaniards are descended from Visigoths (German) and Moors (North African)? Scandanavians generally have no relation to Arabs, but they did interbreed with native Eskimo and Laplander populations. You want to group Scandanavians and Spaniards together, but they don't have a common ancestral history. Thus any racial traits they share aren't scientifically determined but culturally established.
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I'm not disputing that race is becoming more and more ambiguous. That doesn't change my claim about Mexicans generally being considered to be Caucasian.

Have you forgotten about George Zimmerman already?
 
Or, to put in simple terms: There is a reason that Italian "whites" are much darker in skin color than Scandinavians.

Ironically, the entire evolutionary gamut of skin colors is simply there to offer up the minimal amount of protection needed, in a given area, to avoid sunburns.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't search for race very often but, as of a few years ago, you could still find reputable universities and other reputable institutions providing information on the commonly accepted 3-5 human races.

I'm not disputing that race is becoming more and more ambiguous. That doesn't change my claim about Mexicans generally being considered to be Caucasian.

Have you forgotten about George Zimmerman already?
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Yes, and no.

"The Census first began collecting separate data on 'Mexicans' as a racial category in 1930, but dropped the category in the 1940 Census, noting that 'Mexicans are to be regarded as White unless definitely of Indian or other nonwhite race.'”

latino.ucla.edu

Latino is Not a Race

This expert issues brief discusses the impact of recent changes to the race and ethnicity questions on Census surveys, and advocates for the addition of a new question on street race.
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