America's Reichstag fire???

superrific said:
1. He didn't punch the agent there. The allegation was that he punched some other agent somewhere else.
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Right.
superrific said:
Judging by the track record of those involved, very likely not true.
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Speculative.
superrific said:
2. They used fucking tear gas, dude. Why would you use tear gas? It actually is the responsibility of the LEO to consider the possibility that there are other people in the car, including children -- because, you know, a lot of people use their cars to transport children. So here we have a single guy, unarmed, surrounded by cars that had rammed him, potentially with passengers and they fucking used tear gas. You're going to defend that shit?
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I have no issue with the officers using their vehicles to pin in the fleeing vehicle. That's pretty common in law enforcement. The tear gas, if that was used, seems excessive.
superrific said:
3. I'd be pissed too if multiple unmarked vehicles rammed my car.
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Me too. Of course, I wouldn't punch a CBP agent and then flee the scene. FAFO, I guess.
superrific said:
You don't think the officers should know that there were kids in the car?
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No. How would they? If I were law enforcement and heard about someone punching an CBP agent and fleeing, my first assumption would be that they are alone. What kind of a-hole punches a CBP agent and flees when he's with his family?
superrific said:
Well, how is this guy supposed to know that these are law enforcement officers? He probably thought he was being carjacked.
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He probably wouldn't. The pick-up had flashing lights, but I don't believe federal agents have the normal red and blue lights that police have.
 
ZenMode said:
Speculative.

No. How would they? If I were law enforcement and heard about someone punching an CBP agent and fleeing, my first assumption would be that they are alone. What kind of a-hole punches a CBP agent and flees when he's with his family?
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How would they? That's exactly why law enforcement officers are supposed to take account of that possibility in standard procedure. Because you don't know in an individual case, but you're sure that it's common overall, the policy is not to risk it.

I said judging by their record in other cases, these allegations are almost certainly false. That is not speculative. Maybe this case is different, but why would you give them the benefit of the doubt when pretty much every high profile thing they have done is a) illegal; b) premised on lies; and c) involved DOJ or other federal officials lying to the courts?
 
superrific said:
How would they? That's exactly why law enforcement officers are supposed to take account of that possibility in standard procedure. Because you don't know in an individual case, but you're sure that it's common overall, the policy is not to risk it.
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Nothing in the video looked excessive or dangerous. There's a some very minor damage to the car. The mom was able to open the back door with no issue, another sign of minimal damage.

Maybe a little scary for the kids.
superrific said:
I said judging by their record in other cases, these allegations are almost certainly false. That is not speculative. Maybe this case is different, but why would you give them the benefit of the doubt when pretty much every high profile thing they have done is a) illegal; b) premised on lies; and c) involved DOJ or other federal officials lying to the courts?
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I give them the benefit of the doubt because I've seen the videos of the rioters.
 
Calheel said:
You want to take a crack at the white to non-white rioter ratio between Jan 6th and LA? Which one do you think more closely resembled Peter Griffin's skin tone, on average?
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J6 was probably 95% white. Maybe more. I did see a video on one Asian kid taking pics.

There was nothing in my post that had anything to do with race or skin color.
 
ZenMode said:
J6 was probably 95% white. Maybe more. I did see a video on one Asian kid taking pics.

There was nothing in my post that had anything to do with race or skin color.
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OK, now take a crack at the LA riots. I guess that one will depend on whether you consider Latinos white or not.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes. My original post had absolutely nothing to do with race, which is why I threw a flag when race was baselessly brought into the discussion.
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When you say baselessness, you're guaranteeing that it is no factor whatsoever. You sure are careless with words especially since you made the claim, the onus is on you to prove it. You know you can't prove it and you know it's not true.
 
Calheel said:
OK, now take a crack at the LA riots. I guess that one will depend on whether you consider Latinos white or not.
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People who care about science know that Latinos/specifically Mexicans, are generally considered to be a part of the Caucasian race.

I'm not at all disputing the hypocrisy of Trump with his selective concerns for law and order. I'm just saying that he does want to be seen as a law and order president.
 
ZenMode said:
People who care about science know that Latinos/specifically Mexicans, are generally considered to be a part of the Caucasian race.

I'm not at all disputing the hypocrisy of Trump with his selective concerns for law and order. I'm just saying that he does want to be seen as a law and order president.
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For brown people.
 
finesse said:
When you say baselessness, you're guaranteeing that it is no factor whatsoever. You sure are careless with words especially since you made the claim, the onus is on you to prove it. You know you can't prove it and you know it's not true.
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No, I'm just saying that absolutely nothing I was saying had anything to do with how the skin of various people reflects light differently.

also @Calheel
 
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