Approval/Disapproval Polls

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altmin said:
Purists and extremists don't care; they hate compromise more than the people who carry out the things they say they are 100% against.
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I mean, I understand why they were so upset. I was upset too. Biden was letting Israel get away with too much. The problem was that he was politically constrained. I am positive Biden's people, and then Kamala's people, reached out to these groups and it went something like this:

Tlaib: There's a genocide in Gaza and you aren't stopping it.
Kamala: I promise I will do more after the election.
Tlaib: Why not now?
Kamala: Because I can't get elected if I'm seen as siding with terrorists.
Tlaib: Why should I care if you get elected?

And up until this point, the discussion is perfectly logical. But then:

Kamala: Because the alternative is Trump. We pushed back on Bibi several times and made him moderate. Trump will write him a blank check.
Tlaib: Trump says he will end the war Day One or even before.
Kamala: And you believe that?
Tlaib: "We take Trump at his word."

That last sentence really was uttered by several of the Michigan anti-Biden liberals, including IIRC Tlaib's sister. It really was. It's that latter part of the conversation where things really go off the rails. And I get the frustration. I am frustrated in many ways by the inertia of our system.
 
ZenMode said:
I'd bet this sentiment doesn't apply to only Latinos. Lots of buyers remorse about voting for Trump, but feeling like there's no appealing alternative.

Trump approval slipping among Latinos, but Democrats haven't made major gains
....But recent polling suggests Hispanic support for the president and his policies has dropped, primarily over economic issues, including the high prices of groceries and housing.
.....a New York Times/Sienna poll this week, 69% of Hispanics said they disapprove of the way Mr. Trump is handling his job as president, and 58% said they believe he has made the economy worse since he took office.

....But the Democratic-commissioned polling also found that Latinos' fears about Mr. Trump's economy did not seem to be translating into support for Democrats — by April, they still had not made major gains among these voters.

....."Democrats need to talk about what they will do for Latinos, not just how horrendous Donald Trump and Republicans have been," Cardona said. "Democrats need to lead with 'this is what we will do for you, here is how we will help you and your family live a better life,' which is again the reason why we all came to this country to begin with."

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Trump approval slipping among Latinos, but Democrats haven't made major gains

Recent polling shows a majority of Hispanics disapprove of the way President Trump is handling his job as president, but it hasn't translated into support for Democrats.
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"Democrats need to talk about what they will do for Latinos..."

I think the Democrats need to move away from that sort of thinking. They are much better off expanding the tent and talking about what they're going to do for working class Americans.

Anytime they talk about what they're going to do for Latinos or what they're going to do for blacks it's going to drive away a fair number of white people and Indians and Arabs and anyone else not getting the benefit.
 
BillOfRights said:
CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling - CBS News CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling

This doesn't look good for Democrats but looks even worse for trumplicans. The number one word to describe trumplicans in Congress: extreme.
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In virtually every shutdown we've had since the 90s the Republicans have come off worse than Democrats. What's different now is that the media is increasingly either owned by conservatives or has been cowed by them so there isn't the same media pushback to GOP claims and accusations like there used to be, and the GOP base (MAGA Nation) has hardened its views to the point that they now automatically blame Democrats for everything, even when Democrats are trying to protect them as with this shutdown where they're trying to save Obamacare subsidies. Also, with their total control of government and Trump making clear that pure blackmail is likely (we'll just fire thousands of Democrats in government if you don't fold and meet our demands) Democrats are in a much tougher position than in past shutdowns. We'll see how long they can hold out, but I fear the outcome of this shutdown may be different from the others.
 
BillOfRights said:
CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling - CBS News CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling

This doesn't look good for Democrats but looks even worse for trumplicans. The number one word to describe trumplicans in Congress: extreme.
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Pubs control the House and the Senate. Anyone who thinks it is the fault of the Dems is a idiot or a MAGA cult member.
 
BillOfRights said:
CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling - CBS News CBS News poll finds few feel shutdown is worth it, low marks for Republicans, Democrats and Trump's handling

This doesn't look good for Democrats but looks even worse for trumplicans. The number one word to describe trumplicans in Congress: extreme.
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I give Trump credit for keeping his promises. Too few Presidents do.

In the process of keeping promises, he is doing some serious damage to the Republican party.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
In virtually every shutdown we've had since the 90s the Republicans have come off worse than Democrats. What's different now is that the media is increasingly either owned by conservatives or has been cowed by them so there isn't the same media pushback to GOP claims and accusations like there used to be, and the GOP base (MAGA Nation) has hardened its views to the point that they now automatically blame Democrats for everything, even when Democrats are trying to protect them as with this shutdown where they're trying to save Obamacare subsidies. Also, with their total control of government and Trump making clear that pure blackmail is likely (we'll just fire thousands of Democrats in government if you don't fold and meet our demands) Democrats are in a much tougher position than in past shutdowns. We'll see how long they can hold out, but I fear the outcome of this shutdown may be different from the others.
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This shutdown is different, but people seem to understand what's at stake.
www.nbcnews.com

A majority of Trump supporters back extending Obamacare subsidies, poll finds

Without the tax credits, people will lose coverage, putting their health and finances at risk, experts say.
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ZenMode said:
I give Trump credit for keeping his promises. Too few Presidents do.

In the process of keeping promises, he is doing some serious damage to the Republican party.
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I didn't realize Putin's invasion of Ukraine had ended. Who won? And prices have come down??? These were day-1 promises.

The Republican party, or what's left of it, consists of never-trumpers. The trumplican party is now the majority, but maybe not for long.

I don't need your bullshit.
 
BillOfRights said:
I didn't realize Putin's invasion of Ukraine had ended. Who won? And prices have come down??? These were day-1 promises.

The Republican party, or what's left of it, consists of never-trumpers. The trumplican party is now the majority, but maybe not for long.

I don't need your bullshit.
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Tracking Trump’s presidential promises

Donald Trump made a lot of big promises during his 2024 run for the White House. The Associated Press is tracking some of them.
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ZenMode said:
He's very much gone after DEI
No. He went after minorities.

He's closed the southern border
The southern border wasn't open, so he couldn't have closed it.

He's deported illegals at a rate probably unseen.
He has illegally deported undocumented immigrants. If your efer to them as illegals, then be consistent and refer to trump as an illegal president.

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Tracking Trump’s presidential promises

Donald Trump made a lot of big promises during his 2024 run for the White House. The Associated Press is tracking some of them.
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1. No. He went after minorities.

2. The southern border wasn't open, so he couldn't have closed it.

3. He has illegally deported undocumented immigrants. If your efer to them as illegals, then be consistent and refer to trump as an illegal president.

And the people of Gaza are so grateful for his promises kept.
Hamas faces 'complete obliteration' if it clings to power in Gaza, warns Trump | The Times of Israel Hamas faces ‘complete obliteration’ if it clings to power in Gaza, warns Trump
 
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superrific said:
Are they thinking, "we made ourselves partly responsible for the genocide in Gaza by boosting the candidate who was guaranteed never to stand up to Bibi?" LOL. Of course not. They're probably blaming some centrist Democrat.
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I'm not sure things in Gaza would have been any better with Kamala as president. Bibi doesn't listen to Democrats and I'm not sure how effective a governor on his worst impulses she could have been. It is not as though Biden had much influence with him.
 
Calheel said:
I'm not sure things in Gaza would have been any better with Kamala as president. Bibi doesn't listen to Democrats and I'm not sure how effective a governor on his worst impulses she could have been. It is not as though Biden had much influence with him.
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That's not the point. trump promised to end the war. He hasn't.
 
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The far-left in the USA is good with playing a long game and a mid game eso long as Liberals don’t win.

If Trump and McConnell and John Roberts win in the short term, that’s a small price to pay for FREEDOM!!!!!

The far-left figures they win if everything is burned to the ground.
 
Calheel said:
I'm not sure things in Gaza would have been any better with Kamala as president. Bibi doesn't listen to Democrats and I'm not sure how effective a governor on his worst impulses she could have been. It is not as though Biden had much influence with him.
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Yes, they would be, in my opinion. After the election, Kamala would not have put up with Bibi's shit. It's one thing to support Israel, but she would not be supporting the genocide or the blockade or the starvation. I believe Kamala would have told him to stop starving people or the US would cut him off.

Dems have turned against Israel so hard now, they aren't even speaking to AIPAC. Nothing at all would prevent Kamala from tying Netanyahu to a leash.
 
superrific said:
Yes, they would be, in my opinion. After the election, Kamala would not have put up with Bibi's shit. It's one thing to support Israel, but she would not be supporting the genocide or the blockade or the starvation. I believe Kamala would have told him to stop starving people or the US would cut him off.

Dems have turned against Israel so hard now, they aren't even speaking to AIPAC. Nothing at all would prevent Kamala from tying Netanyahu to a leash.
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Even if Kamala flipped a switch, which was possible, I don't think Bibi would have listened. His own personal survival requires him to keep fighting.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
In virtually every shutdown we've had since the 90s the Republicans have come off worse than Democrats. What's different now is that the media is increasingly either owned by conservatives or has been cowed by them so there isn't the same media pushback to GOP claims and accusations like there used to be, and the GOP base (MAGA Nation) has hardened its views to the point that they now automatically blame Democrats for everything, even when Democrats are trying to protect them as with this shutdown where they're trying to save Obamacare subsidies. Also, with their total control of government and Trump making clear that pure blackmail is likely (we'll just fire thousands of Democrats in government if you don't fold and meet our demands) Democrats are in a much tougher position than in past shutdowns. We'll see how long they can hold out, but I fear the outcome of this shutdown may be different from the others.
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Also the media generally allows the GOP to lie like crazy without repercussions.
 
ZenMode said:
I give Trump credit for keeping his promises. Too few Presidents do.

In the process of keeping promises, he is doing some serious damage to the Republican party.
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Which promise that he kept was your favorite?

Lowering prices, stopping the Ukraine/Russia war on day one, or protecting Medicaid?
 
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