Approval/Disapproval Polls

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At 37% a new low for this term
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Trump’s approval rating hits record low in NBC News Poll — NBC News

A new NBC News poll shows the war in Iran is dragging down the President’s approval rating. Just 37% of American adults approve of his performance, marking a new low for his second term. The president is also losing support over the economy as oil and gas prices soar. NBC News’ Julie Tsirkin...
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At 37% a new low for this term
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Trump’s approval rating hits record low in NBC News Poll — NBC News

A new NBC News poll shows the war in Iran is dragging down the President’s approval rating. Just 37% of American adults approve of his performance, marking a new low for his second term. The president is also losing support over the economy as oil and gas prices soar. NBC News’ Julie Tsirkin...
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It is discouraging that 37% still support him. I suppose most of them do because of the R. It is also discouraging that those who flipped supported him at some point, which makes me wonder if they are of the "I'm sorry I voted for him, never again" sort, or are they the "I'm don't approve, but at least he isn't Kamala" people. The former can reform; the latter are still a threat. Let's hope the 37% shrink and the Dems don't screw it up in '28.
 
8992Tiger said:
It is discouraging that 37% still support him. I suppose most of them do because of the R. It is also discouraging that those who flipped supported him at some point, which makes me wonder if they are of the "I'm sorry I voted for him, never again" sort, or are they the "I'm don't approve, but at least he isn't Kamala" people. The former can reform; the latter are still a threat. Let's hope the 37% shrink and the Dems don't screw it up in '28.
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As others here have already said, I think his absolute minimum base is around 35% of the voters nationally, or roughly one-third of the country. That's his cult's absolute minimum level of support, and they'll never turn against him for a variety of reasons. I do find it encouraging that according to most polls he's sinking down to that level, and hopefully most of the other 65% is pissed off and angry enough to vote this November. We'll see.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
As others here have already said, I think his absolute minimum base is around 35% of the voters nationally, or roughly one-third of the country. That's his cult's absolute minimum level of support, and they'll never turn against him for a variety of reasons. I do find it encouraging that according to most polls he's sinking down to that level, and hopefully most of the other 65% is pissed off and angry enough to vote this November. We'll see.
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I will never not find it absolutely abhorrent that one third of people support that man. That reality has absolutely crushed my patriotism and belief in this nation and I will never get it back.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I will never not find it absolutely abhorrent that one third of people support that man. That reality has absolutely crushed my patriotism and belief in this nation and I will never get it back.
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Oh, no doubt. I think a great many people are never going to feel the same way about this country after the last ten years. But the ugly truth is that these people have always been here - the antebellum slaveowning South made up about a third of the country's population before the Civil War, and about a third of the population has likely always been this way. It's just that for a very long time their vote was often split between the two parties - Northern conservative Republicans and Southern conservative Democrats - and thus diluted somewhat. And now they're nearly all concentrated in just one party and dominate it from top to bottom. And yeah they're awful - deplorable, even.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Oh, no doubt. I think a great many people are never going to feel the same way about this country after the last ten years. But the ugly truth is that these people have always been here - the antebellum slaveowning South made up about a third of the country's population before the Civil War, and about a third of the population has likely always been this way. It's just that for a very long time their vote was often split between the two parties - Northern conservative Republicans and Southern conservative Democrats - and thus diluted somewhat. And now they're nearly all concentrated in just one party and dominate it from top to bottom. And yeah they're awful - deplorable, even.
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I’ve always known we were a nation of idiots. I guess I didn’t know just how stupid we are.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
As others here have already said, I think his absolute minimum base is around 35% of the voters nationally, or roughly one-third of the country. That's his cult's absolute minimum level of support, and they'll never turn against him for a variety of reasons. I do find it encouraging that according to most polls he's sinking down to that level, and hopefully most of the other 65% is pissed off and angry enough to vote this November. We'll see.
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They’re going to be so angry when they go to the polls that they are going to vote against all the Democrats to punish them for allowing all this to happen.
 
But at least their daughters aren’t playing sports with, or going to the bathroom with boys transitioning to girls. I mean, they weren’t before this either, but at least it makes suburban moms feel less disgusted about their own vote now.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Oh, no doubt. I think a great many people are never going to feel the same way about this country after the last ten years. But the ugly truth is that these people have always been here - the antebellum slaveowning South made up about a third of the country's population before the Civil War, and about a third of the population has likely always been this way. It's just that for a very long time their vote was often split between the two parties - Northern conservative Republicans and Southern conservative Democrats - and thus diluted somewhat. And now they're nearly all concentrated in just one party and dominate it from top to bottom. And yeah they're awful - deplorable, even.
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I would also add that having lived through the George Wallace era, that 35% has always been with us. The difference is George Wallace and his bigoted supporters did not have a Fox News amplifying and "legitimizing" the bigotry of Wallace's ideology which would of been MAWA ( Make America Whiter Again)
 
heelinhell said:
I would also add that having lived through the George Wallace era, that 35% has always been with us. The difference is George Wallace and his bigoted supporters did not have a Fox News amplifying and "legitimizing" the bigotry of Wallace's ideology which would of been MAWA ( Make America Whiter Again)
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The new board rule when referring to MAGA should be MAWA moving forward.
 
Bigs23 said:
I’ve always known we were a nation of idiots. I guess I didn’t know just how stupid we are.
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I have written the following ideas several times before, so apologies if you've read this before. But if you take Texas and Oklahoma (very generally speaking here, and excluding islands of big cities and college towns) and just sweep to the East right to the sea, you have a massive bastion of some of the most racist and ignorant white people collected anywhere on the planet. Historical reasons are there, but also with a cultivation of a myriad of bad qualities that just have festered over many recent decades. I once started a thread about it on the old ZZL, but this vast area features ("features") extreme ignorance of science, extreme distrust and rejection of education generally and hatred for higher education specifically, bad health problems, poverty along with ideological rejection of any government help for the poor--an ironic situation seeded and cultivated by corporate powers in collusion with the Republican Party.

Next, elections are about motivating constituents in various factions to simply get up and go vote, and this is framed of course by unfortunately low voter participation in America, because elected politicians often obey corporate power rather than the will of the general public. List a dozen policy goals of the Democratic Party and majorities of Americans, including in the South, are for them, but suddenly not if they know they are of the Democrats--then no, they reject them. This is likewise cultivated by corporate power ideology and elected Republicans.

Set this rotten kettle of fish aside for the moment, here. Since the Republican "Southern Strategy" (simply, get all the Democrats in the South who are racist and ignorant to all vote Republican), and it's success, there was added to it a new gargantuan success ("success") of Trump emerging in 2016. Like no one has ever seen, like no one imagined, he got every single white racist, in every level of society, with the American South as a base, but up into all the Rust Belt as well... to get up and go vote for him, and for Republicans. This paired with lazy and insufficient numbers of Democratic voters getting up and going to vote with the same enthusiasm.

This is the essence of what has happened to turn American government into its current chaotic nightmare world, since 2016.
 
I take your point but I'd add that there are a lot of racist and ignorant people in the world, all over the place. If you want specifically to talk about white people, you have to contend with South Africa at a minimum, and also Italian soccer, and the Brexit crowd, and Russia. Include not white people and the map opens further to include the truly awful situation in and around Sudan, etc.

Not disagreeing with you at all. Just further unfolding the depressing reality.
 
an0maly said:
I have written the following ideas several times before, so apologies if you've read this before. But if you take Texas and Oklahoma (very generally speaking here, and excluding islands of big cities and college towns) and just sweep to the East right to the sea, you have a massive bastion of some of the most racist and ignorant white people collected anywhere on the planet. Historical reasons are there, but also with a cultivation of a myriad of bad qualities that just have festered over many recent decades. I once started a thread about it on the old ZZL, but this vast area features ("features") extreme ignorance of science, extreme distrust and rejection of education generally and hatred for higher education specifically, bad health problems, poverty along with ideological rejection of any government help for the poor--an ironic situation seeded and cultivated by corporate powers in collusion with the Republican Party.

Next, elections are about motivating constituents in various factions to simply get up and go vote, and this is framed of course by unfortunately low voter participation in America, because elected politicians often obey corporate power rather than the will of the general public. List a dozen policy goals of the Democratic Party and majorities of Americans, including in the South, are for them, but suddenly not if they know they are of the Democrats--then no, they reject them. This is likewise cultivated by corporate power ideology and elected Republicans.

Set this rotten kettle of fish aside for the moment, here. Since the Republican "Southern Strategy" (simply, get all the Democrats in the South who are racist and ignorant to all vote Republican), and it's success, there was added to it a new gargantuan success ("success") of Trump emerging in 2016. Like no one has ever seen, like no one imagined, he got every single white racist, in every level of society, with the American South as a base, but up into all the Rust Belt as well... to get up and go vote for him, and for Republicans. This paired with lazy and insufficient numbers of Democratic voters getting up and going to vote with the same enthusiasm.

This is the essence of what has happened to turn American government into its current chaotic nightmare world, since 2016.
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superrific said:
I take your point but I'd add that there are a lot of racist and ignorant people in the world, all over the place. If you want specifically to talk about white people, you have to contend with South Africa at a minimum, and also Italian soccer, and the Brexit crowd, and Russia. Include not white people and the map opens further to include the truly awful situation in and around Sudan, etc.

Not disagreeing with you at all. Just further unfolding the depressing reality.
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8992Tiger said:
It is discouraging that 37% still support him. I suppose most of them do because of the R. It is also discouraging that those who flipped supported him at some point, which makes me wonder if they are of the "I'm sorry I voted for him, never again" sort, or are they the "I'm don't approve, but at least he isn't Kamala" people. The former can reform; the latter are still a threat. Let's hope the 37% shrink and the Dems don't screw it up in '28.
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a lot of people get st petersburg curated news and have no idea what is really going on
 
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