As protesters shout, NC Senate Republicans and now House override Cooper veto of powers-stripping bill

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This Bill basically strips power from elected democrats. It prevents Governor elect Josh Stien from appointing members to the state board of elections. It makes the State Highway Patrol an independent agency. It requires Stien to obtain the Assembly’s approval for appointments. Supreme Court vacancy will be filled based on recommendations from the political party of the outgoing judge. It prohibits AG elect Jeff Jackson from participating in lawsuits that undercut actions taken by the General Assembly. It prevents incoming Lt Governor Rachel Hunt from chairing committees on energy issues. And on and on… And the best part is that it was written in secret and fast-tracked, with no committee hearings.
 
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This Bill basically strips power from elected democrats. It prevents Governor elect Josh Stien from appointing members to the state board of elections. It makes the State Highway Patrol an independent agency. It requires Stien to obtain the Assembly’s approval for appointments. Supreme Court vacancy will be filled based on recommendations from the political party of the outgoing judge. It prohibits AG elect Jeff Jackson from participating in lawsuits that undercut actions taken by the General Assembly. It prevents incoming Lt Governor Rachel Hunt from chairing committees on energy issues. And on and on… And the best part is that it was written in secret and fast-tracked, with no committee hearings.
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The "written in secret and fast-tracked" has been the M.O. for this GOP legislature ever since they first gained a majority in 2010. Phil Berger and whoever the House GOP Speaker is for each session have perfected the art of holding surprise votes at midnight without informing Democrats (Jeff Jackson used to post on Twitter about this all the time when he was a member of the legislature), passing legislation without giving anyone any reasonable amount of time to review it or debate it, and labeling their bills as being for something seemingly good or benevolent without mentioning all of the dirty stuff in it. It's positively wicked and totally undemocratic, and yet they've been getting away with it for fourteen years now, with no end in sight. I've already said this several times, but if they were honest they would just go ahead and abolish the executive branch and absorb all of its powers and duties into the legislative branch, as that's the direction they've been moving in for years now.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
Shameful, anti-democratic legislation from NC Congressional Pubs made possible by shameful, anti-democratic Pub gerrymandering permitted by the shameful, anti-democratic Pub majority NC Supreme Court.

Vote these fuckers out.
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Not defending this at all. But if the state and its policies are so bad then why do so many people move there? Compare it to CA where the policies cause people to leave the state. Dems have been moving to NC in droves over the last 20 years and aren't leaving.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not defending this at all. But if the state and its policies are so bad then why do so many people move there? Compare it to CA where the policies cause people to leave the state. Dems have been moving to NC in droves over the last 20 years and aren't leaving.
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People aren’t moving here because of the state’s “policies.” And you say Dems have been moving here in droves for the past 20 years, but the General Assembly has been Republican-led for just 14 years. People had been moving to NC in droves well before that as well. But not because of anyone’s “policies.”
 
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Icky Mettle said:
People aren’t moving here because of the state’s “policies.” And you say Dems have been moving here in droves for the past 20 years, but the General Assembly has been Republican-led for just 14 years. People had been moving to NC in droves well before that as well. But not because if anyone’s “policies.”
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They sure haven't been moving here because of the NC GOP legislature's great educational policies. To the contrary, other states are raiding our supply of teachers because our legislature pays them so poorly. Veteran teachers in this state haven't gotten a decent raise in a decade.
 
Icky Mettle said:
People aren’t moving here because of the state’s “policies.” And you say Dems have been moving here in droves for the past 20 years, but the General Assembly has been Republican-led for just 14 years. People had been moving to NC in droves well before that as well. But not because if anyone’s “policies.”
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The policies aren’t causing people to leave either. I get it and agree that the right has / had a strangle hold in the legislature but it hasn’t destroyed the state. JJ put out a video on the new constraints he faces. I’m guessing he is very well respected by the right but also feared by the right.
 
The best part was that this was a dentistry bill which was completely hollowed out and then they changed the name to Hurricane Helene recovery and included nothing about recovery. That way they could run around and crow to the cameras that Democrats voted against Hurricane Helene recovery.
 
Callatoroy said:
The policies aren’t causing people to leave either. I get it and agree that the right has / had a strangle hold in the legislature but it hasn’t destroyed the state. JJ put out a video on the new constraints he faces. I’m guessing he is very well respected by the right but also feared by the right.
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I don’t know exactly what triggers certain people to leave; probably a bunch of different factors. But to be clear, we have one the highest growth rates among all US states due to the number of people who move here relative to those who leave. But we do have one of the highest numbers of people who leave the state. So a lot of people do leave the state. That shouldn’t be a big surprise, however, as we are among the top 1/5 of US states in terms of population.
 
aGDevil2k said:
The only way.

You cannot vote them out until gerrymandering is outlawed in the state (if not the nation). Once that happens, NC becomes a fair, moderate state.
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This is not a rhetorical question: what are the chances of that happening in the next 8 years?
 
ChileG said:
This is not a rhetorical question: what are the chances of that happening in the next 8 years?
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Pretty good if the Democrats can win back control of the NC Supreme Court in 2028, which is certainly doable (they had a 6-1 majority within the last six years). Justices are elected on a statewide basis, and Democrats usually do pretty well in many statewide races, especially in presidential election years. OTOH, if they don't win control of the NC Supreme Court in 2028 it's very, very unlikely that Democrats can win back control of the state legislature within the next 8 years, given how heavily gerrymandered it is.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not defending this at all. But if the state and its policies are so bad then why do so many people move there? Compare it to CA where the policies cause people to leave the state. Dems have been moving to NC in droves over the last 20 years and aren't leaving.
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I think people move here , especially retirees, for the warmer climate and the excellent health care services provided in the Research Triangle, the Triad, and Charlotte.

I don't know the stats, but I would guess that the greatest numbers of folks moving here have been to the blue counties which are locally governed by Democrats.
 
tar pal said:
NC has been a gerrymandered state for well over 100 years, first by dems now by pubs.
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Fair enough, with the proviso that the ideological wing of the Democratic Party that did the gerrymandering is now know as the GOP of NC. This wing also staged a violent coup when an election in Wilmington didn't go the way they wanted it to go. On balance, if forced to choose between a violent coup and gerrymandering, in NC, gerrymandering involves fewer lynchings. But let's see if Kash Patel becomes the FBI director before we start using lynching as a metric for civil political conduct.
 
05C40 said:
Fair enough, with the proviso that the ideological wing of the Democratic Party that did the gerrymandering is now know as the GOP of NC. This wing also staged a violent coup when an election in Wilmington didn't go the way they wanted it to go. On balance, if forced to choose between a violent coup and gerrymandering, in NC, gerrymandering involves fewer lynchings. But let's see if Kash Patel becomes the FBI director before we start using lynching as a metric for civil political conduct.
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this. but you're far too kind, nothing about tar pal's post was "fair enough" - it was either ignorant or willfully deceptive.

the same people have been doing the gerrymandering all along they just switched parties.
 
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