Aviation Crashes and other FAA News

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Calheel said:
I am going to post the local news story about a crash YOU never heard of because 6-person plane crashes usually aren't a national news story.

Go read up on all the 4+ fatality crashes listed in the link above. Tell me how many you knew about before you read the link.

Edit -- the only slight concession I'll make to your side on this point is the presence of the video. The news loves good, dramatic video -- and not all plane crashes have such dramatic video. So, it is possible this still would have been a national story simply because of the video -- albeit not as big a story as it has become.
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There are no sides here.
It’s not that serious.

At first I took you for a Trumper trying to brush this off, so I included the lmao in my initial post purely for antagonism. However, IMHO, the nature of the crash, the circumstances surrounding it. (An air ambulance carrying a child to a medical procedure) And the location (a densely populated major city) The video(s) of the giant fireball and subsequent images of northwest Philly looking like a war zone, would combine to make this national news.

Having said that, if it’s your contention that this story drew even MORE coverage because it occurred on the tail of the largest aviation disaster in two decades, then I completely agree. I just feel like there is more than enough meat on this particular bone to make this national on its own.
 
superrific said:
1. That doesn't look like a giant fireball. It looks nothing like what we saw in Philly.
2. That doesn't look much like an urban area. It looks like outskirts.
3. I said tends. I'm not going to say something silly about all plane crashes everywhere. I think there was a lot of incredulity on this thread -- and that might be because people were assuming (I was) that there would be dozens of injuries and a few fatalities.
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I dunno Super. It was in Honolulu right by the airport. That is pretty well populated, although that particular area was mostly a warehouse area. The fireball was pretty huge, but maybe nighttime fireballs look more impressive.

I am a little surprised that it took so long for the media to report about the ground casualties.
 
Calheel said:
I dunno Super. It was in Honolulu right by the airport. That is pretty well populated, although that particular area was mostly a warehouse area. The fireball was pretty huge, but maybe nighttime fireballs look more impressive.

I am a little surprised that it took so long for the media to report about the ground casualties.
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Not going to argue about this. Don't care. I think the tweet that was first posted on this thread mentioned the casualties, though obviously individual tweets aren't the media.

I know nothing about measuring fireballs. In addition, what you posted was much less of a closeup, which would tend to lessen the visual impact. At the same time, wasn't that plane landing whereas the one in Philly taking off? There would be a lot more jet fuel in the latter case, I would imagine. Eh, doesn't matter.
 
Calheel said:
Depends where the giant fire ball hits

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Except the building was unoccupied, it was a small Cessna prop not a jet, it was near the airport and not in a crowded urban area, there was nothing like the fireball in Philly and the only casualties were the pilots. Otherwise exactly the same.
 
uncgriff said:
Except the building was unoccupied, it was a small Cessna prop not a jet, it was near the airport and not in a crowded urban area, there was nothing like the fireball in Philly and the only casualties were the pilots. Otherwise exactly the same.
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Most of which was exactly my point to Super. It all depends where the plane lands.

The Philadelphia crash happened in the middle of a street, not a building, which is a huge blessing in terms of casualties.

Also, it was a Cessna 208 in Honolulu, which is not a small Cessna. I am not a fireball expert, but they both looked pretty darn large. The reason there were not dozens of casualties in Honolulu is because it hit an unoccupied building. If it hit an apartment building, it would have been different.

Here are images of the two planes

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Calheel said:
Most of which was exactly my point to Super. It all depends where the plane lands.

The Philadelphia crash happened in the middle of a street, not a building, which is a huge blessing in terms of casualties.

Also, it was a Cessna 208 in Honolulu, which is not a small Cessna. I am not a fireball expert, but they both looked pretty darn large. The reason there were not dozens of casualties in Honolulu is because it hit an unoccupied building. If it hit an apartment building, it would have been different.

Here are images of the two planes

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The maximum takeoff weight of the Learjet is, per Google, almost three times that of the Cessna.
 
Zoo_View said:
Wouldn’t it be easy for a cartel or criminal organization to take photos of planes/jets and repaint their own aircraft?
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Painting an aircraft isn't how they'd get away with this; its the signal from the ADS equipment which radar systems are tracking and recording they'd have to evade. This means spoofing the data and making the plane seem as if its the same, which apparently is possible, but would make me wonder if the company was still allowing this happen working with the smugglers (or they could even be the ones doing the smuggling) because the flight records would still need to be in alignment. The spoofed plane couldn't take off from a different airport, that's the easiest way fraudulent tail numbers are identified. Nowadays there are all types of advance technologies for America to track all of this in real time; we have military grade long range radars which can track air traffic even if the ADS isn't sending out a signal, to go along with surveillance drones, hundreds and hundreds of satellites producing infrared and high-res images of anything they want.

Makes me wonder if this is a foreign intelligence agency or foreign military using this Jet Rescue as a front organization with the backing of major cyber operations which may have methods to evade our detection systems. I noticed the CEO's Linkedin page (Carlos Salinas - Jet Rescue | LinkedIn) says he also owns and runs a private security firm named "Blackwater Global Protection". If you go to their website (Blackwater|Renta Blindadas|Guardaespaldas|Escoltas|Proteccion VIP) you'll notice they claim their agents are trained in "Colombia, United States, and Israel". Israel has long been an arms supplier of arms to Colombia and paramilitary there (along with many other LATAM death squads). So it could be a front for that, doesn't need to be drugs. It could also be hiding money, when reading about this company one of the blurbs bragged about how they're permitted to land in Panama which apparently is difficult for air ambulance companies to land at, for whatever reason. However, funny that it's also a country notorious for its offshore banking and financial secrecy for the global oligarchy.

I also noticed the spokesman of Jet Rescue who put out a statement is Israeli, along with a partnering company of theirs (which also might be a Mossad or Netanyahu front) called MD Abroad operating out of Aventura, FL (which is full of Israelis) their CEO who may or may not be Jewish but did used to do medical work as an "advisor" in Russia/Ukraine in the mid-2000s. He only graduated university a few years before worked in a rather faraway place, to me it seems like a strange path in life for a guy in his mid-20s to go be a medical advisor, when he appears to have no medical training that he claims publicly, all the way over in Eastern Europe. Not unless he's connected to the Russian-Jewish organized crime world, or to Mossad. It's all speculative, but highly suspicious. Not to mention, it is odd the plane crashed in Philadelphia, the city where Netanyahu grew up and went to High School, in the state governed by Josh Shapiro, a self-declared former IDF volunteer.
 
AlbionAmerican said:
Not to add to the conspiracies
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AlbionAmerican said:
Makes me wonder if this is a foreign intelligence agency or foreign military using this Jet Rescue as a front organization with the backing of major cyber operations which may have methods to evade our detection systems. I noticed the CEO's Linkedin page says he also owns and runs a private security firm named "Blackwater Global Protection". If you go to their website you'll notice they claim their agents are trained in "Colombia, United States, and Israel". Israel has long been an arms supplier of arms to Colombia and paramilitary there (along with many other LATAM death squads). So it could be a front for that, doesn't need to be drugs. It could also be hiding money, when reading about this company one of the blurbs bragged about how they're permitted to land in Panama which apparently is difficult for air ambulance companies to land at, for whatever reason. However, funny that it's also a country notorious for its offshore banking and financial secrecy for the global oligarchy.
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LOL. I mean, it could all be true, but I'm referring to the "not to add to the conspiracy theories" part...
 
Listening to Pod Save America today and they were talking about the crash.

Interesting that basically the same DEI rules were in place during trumps first administration and he did nothing. I guess he didn't hate DEI until he found out how many people would align to his racist/misogynist description of DEI programs.

They also talked about it being reported that the air traffic controllers didn't use DEI in hiring. And that DEI or not, everyone goes through the same rigorous training. They are very short staffed and it is already hard to hire, just imagine how bad it's going to be now.
 
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The National Transportation Safety Board made a pro-Elon Musk announcement that took onlookers by storm.

The NTSB said over the weekend that it would only be announcing news about major aircraft accidents on one particular social media platform.

"For media covering the airplane crashes in Washington and Philadelphia—all NTSB updates about news conferences or other investigative information will be posted to this X account," the agency wrote. "We will not be distributing information via email."
 
JCTarheel82 said:
Damn. RIP Captain Lobach.

And now we'll have the displeasure of hearing the right drag a fellow Tar Heel's name through the mud as a DEI hire.
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Yep. She was also a Biden White House aide. I can understand why her family wants to keep her name out of it, but of course it eventually was going to be released officially or unofficially and probably should.
 


“… Data from the jet’s flight recorder showed its altitude as 325 feet (99 meters), plus or minus 25 feet (7.6 meters), when the crash happened Wednesday night, National Transportation Safety Board officials told reporters. Data in the control tower, though, showed the Black Hawk helicopter at 200 feet (61 meters) at the time.

The roughly 100-foot (30-meter) discrepancy has yet to be explained.

Investigators hope to reconcile the altitude differences with data from the helicopter’s black box, which is taking more time to retrieve because it became waterlogged after it plunged into the Potomac River. They also said they plan to refine the tower data, which can be less reliable. …”
 
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