Biden open borders?

Also, I'm pretty damn sure Laken Riley's mom, even in the middle of the worst of her grief, would not want a gay man to be shipped off to a foreign country to be raped and abused. I don't know what broke in you, but when Laken Riley's mom can have more of a moral center than you do, it might be worth thinking about where you stand right now.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
So in your eyes more border apprehensions mean a more open border?
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No. Giving campaign speeches basically inviting any and all to come, then being overwhelmed, ending 42, and releasing millions into the country unvetted symbolizes an open border. Why do you think all the migrant caravans came after trump left office? Why are there no migrant caravans now? Telling all your friends and family to come on, they will stop you at the border and then release you with a promise to show up for a hearing five or 10 years from now has the same effect of an open border.

 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t see that situation as a crisis. Even faced with data you still deny it.
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Data can't establish whether something is a crisis, you hopelessly stupid approximation of a person. Whether something is a crisis is a value judgment. And the basis for your value judgment is very, very easy to discern, no matter how much you want to deny it. God knows it.
 
lawtig02 said:
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www.nbcnews.com

Tracking crossings and attempted crossings at the Southwest border

President Donald Trump came into office promising a crackdown on unauthorized migrants.
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ICE told Congress last year that, as of July, it had identified 435,000 unauthorized immigrants with criminal convictions in the United States who were not in custody. Of those non-citizens, 13,099 were convicted of murder and 15,811 were convicted of sexual assault. As of the end of May, 2025, ICE had arrested 752 non-citizens convicted of murder and 1,693 convicted of sexual assault.

By all means, please post more anecdotes. Your side has allowed 28,910 murderers and rapist to roam around but you are more concerned about the rights of Andry Romero. Wonder why the dims lost the election? It's comical that you still don't understand.
 
Callatoroy said:
www.nbcnews.com

Tracking crossings and attempted crossings at the Southwest border

President Donald Trump came into office promising a crackdown on unauthorized migrants.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

ICE told Congress last year that, as of July, it had identified 435,000 unauthorized immigrants with criminal convictions in the United States who were not in custody. Of those non-citizens, 13,099 were convicted of murder and 15,811 were convicted of sexual assault. As of the end of May, 2025, ICE had arrested 752 non-citizens convicted of murder and 1,693 convicted of sexual assault.

By all means, please post more anecdotes. Your side has allowed 28,910 murderers and rapist to roam around but you are more concerned about the rights of Andry Romero. Wonder why the dims lost the election? It's comical that you still don't understand.
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Yes. As has been the case in Western law for almost 400 years now, I think it's better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent person suffer. I suspect that's a dividing line between you and me. But it's also a dividing line between you and our founders. And the Americans who enacted the 14th Amendment. And the suffragettes, and the civil rights leaders, and the Human Rights Campaign.

You have been on the wrong side of history for 400 years. One would think that at some point, you would learn. But alas, there will always be people who will be disclaimed by their grandchildren as "products of their time." I hope you're ok with that. I'm not. And that's what distinguishes the two of us.
 
Callatoroy said:
I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t see that situation as a crisis. Even faced with data you still deny it. It was arguably the 2nd biggest issue in the election. JCDing is my guess
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I still don't understand resistance the many Dems have to acknowledging the border crisis/humanitarian crisis during Biden's term. It was covered pretty well by several liberal media outlets.
 
finesse said:
Links?
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Opinion | Democrats are in denial about the need for border security

Playing to the Democratic base on the issue while ignoring the need for more enforcement has merely exacerbated the problem.
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'One god-awful mess': Biden lays border crisis on Trump admin's refusal to cooperate

Biden also said in an exclusive interview with "TODAY" that he doesn't "think the American people are racist," but Black Americans are "behind the eight ball" in terms of opportunity.
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Biden dispatches top officials to Mexico, Central America as border crisis grows

Separately, a bipartisan pair of border-state senators sent a letter urging the White House to act swiftly to address the influx of migrants.
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lawtig02 said:
Yes. As has been the case in Western law for almost 400 years now, I think it's better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent person suffer. I suspect that's a dividing line between you and me. But it's also a dividing line between you and our founders. And the Americans who enacted the 14th Amendment. And the suffragettes, and the civil rights leaders, and the Human Rights Campaign.

You have been on the wrong side of history for 400 years. One would think that at some point, you would learn. But alas, there will always be people who will be disclaimed by their grandchildren as "products of their time." I hope you're ok with that. I'm not. And that's what distinguishes the two of us.
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Not sure what tangent you went off on, but I'm pretty sure the founding fathers wouldn't be cool with tens of thousands of convicted illegal immigrant murderers and rapists roaming the streets. Of course that wasn't an issue until brandon got into office. Apparently the American people weren't cool with it either because they booted your party out in favor of law and order. If not for brandon and having to clean up his mess, Romero likely is still in the US. Collateral damage when trying to undo the disaster joe created is unfortunate but inevitable. He would have been in a manageable system. But that was out the window with joe trying to score political points. On a personal level it wouldn't sit well with me if I was a member of his Romero's family and I'm glad there is the visibility there is on it so that it gets the attention it deserves, but whatever it takes to get the criminals out of the country. So yea, you and I are different. I support the effort to banish illegal immigrant criminals from the country and you are in favor of keeping them here because one person might get caught up in the deportation process. I don't think I'm in the minority of this topic. On the zzl, probably. In the real world, no.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not sure what tangent you went off on, but I'm pretty sure the founding fathers wouldn't be cool with tens of thousands of convicted illegal immigrant murderers and rapists roaming the streets. Of course that wasn't an issue until brandon got into office. Apparently the American people weren't cool with it either because they booted your party out in favor of law and order. If not for brandon and having to clean up his mess, Romero likely is still in the US. Collateral damage when trying to undo the disaster joe created is unfortunate but inevitable. He would have been in a manageable system. But that was out the window with joe trying to score political points. On a personal level it wouldn't sit well with me if I was a member of his Romero's family and I'm glad there is the visibility there is on it so that it gets the attention it deserves, but whatever it takes to get the criminals out of the country. So yea, you and I are different. I support the effort to banish illegal immigrant criminals from the country and you are in favor of keeping them here because one person might get caught up in the deportation process. I don't think I'm in the minority of this topic. On the zzl, probably. In the real world, no.
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You including the founding fathers who were immigrants in that brilliant assessment?
 
Callatoroy said:
His policy is neither evil nor unamerican. It’s American to limit the numbers of immigrants allowed in and vet them before being allowed in. It’s unamerican to catch illegal immigrants guilty of committing crimes and released into them back onto the street to commit more crimes. Ask Laken Riley’s mom whose policy was unamerican.
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What about the people who died making the trip to the border hoping that they could be apart of the American dream?

Was this American policy you talk of used at Ellis Island when white people were showing up without any legal visas to enter?

The only thing special about America is its diversity. Perhaps you should think about what makes America great.

(But its okay to pardon J6 criminals and let them back on the streets. Yep no hypocrisy there)
 
Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Trump badly underwater on immigration policy (among many others) and sinking like a rock? Could have sworn I saw polling data recently that said as much but I’m too lazy to try to find it again.

So if Trump is indeed badly underwater on immigration policy, does it not stand to reason that the majority of Americans do not, in fact, support our current economically-disadvantageous and inhumane methods of deportation, and does it not stand to reason that, in fact, the prevailing opinion on this board is actually in line with what the majority of mainstream Americans believe at present?
 
CFordUNC said:
Somebody please correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Trump badly underwater on immigration policy (among many others) and sinking like a rock? Could have sworn I saw polling data recently that said as much but I’m too lazy to try to find it again.

So if Trump is indeed badly underwater on immigration policy, does it not stand to reason that the majority of Americans do not, in fact, support our current economically-disadvantageous and inhumane methods of deportation, and does it not stand to reason that, in fact, the prevailing opinion on this board is actually in line with what the majority of mainstream Americans believe at present?
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The polling is pretty divergent right now but yes, most of it shows Trump's immigration policies are now deeply unpopular and sinking fast. The rational conclusion is that most Americans favor:

1. Stronger security at the border.
2. Liberal treatment and a reasonable path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who are here to work and/or who have been here for a long time.
3. Quick deportation of known criminals.
4. An enforcement arm that acts like a well-behaved police force rather than a terroristic guerilla army.

In other words, most Americans clearly favor the deal that Lankford and the Dems worked out last year, but that was scuttled for the singular reason that Trump did not want to give Biden a win.

It will always be enormously frustrating that the Dems could not convey that message effectively in the last election. I think it was some combination of an extraordinarily powerful right wing media machine, the ugly chaos around Biden's decline and the transition to Kamala, and Trump's effective use of the anecdotes (which calla assures us should not be relevant, even as he raises them on this thread) like Laken Riley's tragic murder.

Whatever the reason, Trump convinced millions of Americans to vote for him based on immigration, nothwithstanding that those people have always, and continue to the present, to prefer what the Dems wanted to do on immigration over what Trump promised to do and is now carrying out.

As always, ignorance, if we can't address it, will be the death of this republic.
 
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