Biden pardons Hunter | Biden commutes sentences of nearly all federal death row inmates to life in prison

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superrific said:
If you want to know why people think MAGAs are rubes, here it is.

Right-wing media has been actively trying to lose credibility, but you keep believing all the shit they shovel. Let's see:

Fox News: paid a settlement of $787M for defamation because they lied on the air:
Tucker Carlson: slumming around on X because nobody will hire him after he admitted to lying on the air
Rudy is bankrupt
Alex Jones is bankrupt
Several Trump/GOP lawyers have been disbarred or otherwise sanctioned, for a range of offenses including lying to the court
Several GOP lawyers in Arizona have been sanctioned for filing bullshit. Same in Michigan and Wisconsin IIRC.
Dinesh D'Souza admitted that "2000 mules" was made up bullshit

And yet you still believe them when they present allegations without evidence. Why should anyone ever take you seriously? There's an old saying, "he could sell ice to Eskimos." Yeah, you're the Eskimo in that scenario.
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First, I don't watch Fox News channel. I don't watch MSNBC channel. I might watch CNN a total of an hour per month, but only because my wife has it on when I get home.

I do like to tune in to the opposite side of the Presidential election winner (so MSNBC last month) just to watch their faces melt as reality sets in, but that's about it.

Anything you think I'm incorrect about, I'm sure I can find support for on CNN, MSNBC or another outlet you approve of.
 
superrific said:
I'm not a proponent of pardons absent unusual circumstances, such as actual innocence or persecution. While Hunter may not be particularly deserving, Joe is well within his discretion to issue this pardon. I mean, it's not like he stormed the capitol, attacked police, or destroyed or desecrated the property of the halls of Congress.
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Remember when.....

Biden still does not plan to pardon his son Hunter, White House says
November 7, 2024 / 8:02 PM EST / CBS News

www.cbsnews.com

Biden still does not plan to pardon his son Hunter, White House says

President Biden said earlier this year he would not pardon his son or commute a potential prison sentence.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
JCTarheel82 said:
Dude has been so propagandized, he probably thinks his own username is a hoax.
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My biggest disappointment is not that my preferred presidential candidate lost an election, but rather that there are tens upon tens of millions of Americans who apparently aren’t able to recognize what a relative golden age we’ve been living in and that none of it is guaranteed. With the exception of about a two year blip on the radar during the pandemic, economically we have been living in the greatest period in American history over the last 10 to 12 years or so. I’m not bothered by my preferred candidate losing an election, because election losses happen, pretty frequently. But I am very disheartened to know that so many folks aren’t able to recognize how unbelievably great we have had it – and that includes under presidential administrations of both parties, so I’m not even acting like it’s just because of Obama or Biden. I have a hunch there are going to be a lot of people who come to understand the phrase “ I wish I realized we were in the good old days during the good old days.”

I have said it many times and I will continue to say, I could not possibly care less who is president or which party is in power as long as our country and our fellow countrymen and women are able to thrive and prosper. So Lord knows I hope that President Trump is able to continue and even improve upon the last four years of economic growth and prosperity. I’ll be the first one lining up to praise him.
 
I expect the FBI announcement did it. Probably when he reached his FU point and decided to protect his son from these unscrupulous assholes instead of a party who has shown him no particular loyalty or appreciation. I don't much blame him. He and his has already had to deal with a lot.
 
Ramrouser said:
Well, well, well, just got back from Gladiator II and see this news. I don’t care about this pardon but it is delicious seeing all of you engage in pretzel logic justifying a President pardoning his ne’er-do-well son when he repeatedly promised he wouldn’t.

What happened to “no man is above the law?”

As I said weeks ago, I think it would have been better for the Country for Trump to issue this pardon.
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Interesting. I have to agree, it probably would have went over better had Trump did it. Do you think he would have?

He was convicted, so it's not really being above the law, is it? I see above the law more as those who don't believe they should even be charged for the crimes they commit.

Though I do agree that no man is above the law. Looking at the numbers for pardons for each president, I wonder how they determined each of those to be ok. Seems like just something presidents do at the end of their terms. According to that, Biden is close to the bottom in total numbers.

My "I don't care" vote isn't trying to justify it or anything else. It's just with everything going on in my life right now, I really just don't care. Had trump promised to do it, I would have cared.

How was the movie?
 
CFordUNC said:
I’m asking you this in full, complete, earnest sincerity because I would welcome hearing the perspective of someone who sees the world differently from me.

Completely ignore the fact that you do not like Joe Biden, and completely ignore the fact that you do not like the Democratic Party, either ideologically or for whatever other reasons you may have. Completely ignore all of that, and try to answer objectively.

Why do you say that the country under the last four years of the Biden administration has been so bad or incompetent? I’m genuinely trying to understand this perspective because almost every single Trump supporter on this board says some variation of it. The United States has experienced the most robust economic recovery of any country in the world coming out of the pandemic. We completely won the battle against inflation, better than any other country in the world, and it is now back down to the 2% Fed target. The stock market has reached all-time highs. Even despite the inflationary environment, on the whole most people have had more purchasing power due to wage growth that outpaced inflation. Rates of violent crime are at decades lows. We have had fewer illegal border crossings this year than there have been since 2019, the height of the first Trump administration. We have economically and military crippled our primary geopolitical foe without shedding a single drop of American blood. We’ve had no American boots on the ground in an active foreign conflict for the first time in decades. We have seen over $1 trillion in private sector investment into American infrastructure. We’ve been unprecedented investment in to our rural areas, particularly as it relates to restoring manufacturing jobs, making broadband Internet access more widespread and thus making accessible and leveling the economic playing field.

Aside from the fact that someone whom you personally do not like has been in the White House over the last four years, what has been so bad about the last four years? And can you honestly say that had Donald Trump presided over the exact same scenario over these last four years, that you would have it “incompetent” too?

Just trying to understand your valued perspective as someone with a different viewpoint than the majority of this board.
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"We have had fewer illegal border crossings this year than there have been since 2019, the height of the first Trump administration."

What is the basis for this assertion?
 
ZenMode said:
"We have had fewer illegal border crossings this year than there have been since 2019, the height of the first Trump administration."

What is the basis for this assertion?
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Looks like I had it off by a year. It was 2020. Point remains.

“At fewer than 54,000 apprehensions, the number is also the lowest since August 2020 during the Trump administration, and it is similar to September totals in 2018, 2019 and 2020 (also during the Trump administration).”
 
CFordUNC said:

Looks like I had it off by a year. It was 2020. Point remains.

“At fewer than 54,000 apprehensions, the number is also the lowest since August 2020 during the Trump administration, and it is similar to September totals in 2018, 2019 and 2020 (also during the Trump administration).”
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Ok. We're talking about sneaking across the border, not the standard illegal border crossing, of which there were millions during the Biden administration.
 
ZenMode said:
Every fiscal year under Biden was higher than every FY under Trump:

CBP Enforcement Statistics

Securing America's Borders
www.cbp.gov
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Please tell me you are not seriously trying to argue that illegal immigration wasn’t curbed significantly by the massive influx of funding and resources for CBP personnel and technology that was part of the FY22 and FY23 budgets. Please tell me you aren’t.
 
CFordUNC said:
Please tell me you are not seriously trying to argue that illegal immigration wasn’t curbed significantly by the massive influx of funding and resources for CBP personnel and technology that was part of the FY22 and FY23 budgets. Please tell me you aren’t.
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I'm just looking at the data. We aren't going/ can't go into foreign countries and pull people out. Part of claiming asylum is illegally crossing the border, which is why asylum seekers are detained. They are all illegal border crossers.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm just looking at the data. We aren't going/ can't go into foreign countries and pull people out. Part of claiming asylum is illegally crossing the border, which is why asylum seekers are detained. They are all illegal border crossers.
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You’re arguing against data that clearly shows that apprehensions of would-be illegal border crossers is at a 4 year low (and roughly equivalent to the five, six, and seven year lows), and you are trying to argue that because there are people who overstayed work visas or something, that the Biden administration’s entire border security policy was a failure. It’s an asinine argument to make when there is data staring you right in the face proving otherwise.
 
CFordUNC said:
You’re arguing against data that clearly shows that apprehensions of would-be illegal border crossers is at a 4 year low (and roughly equivalent to the five, six, and seven year lows), and you are trying to argue that because there are people who overstayed work visas or something, that the Biden administration’s entire border security policy was a failure. It’s an asinine argument to make when there is data staring you right in the face proving otherwise.
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The apprehension of a high number of illegal border crossers
CFordUNC said:
You’re arguing against data that clearly shows that apprehensions of would-be illegal border crossers is at a 4 year low (and roughly equivalent to the five, six, and seven year lows), and you are trying to argue that because there are people who overstayed work visas or something, that the Biden administration’s entire border security policy was a failure. It’s an asinine argument to make when there is data staring you right in the face proving otherwise.
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There are two types of illegal border crossers. There are those who sneak across and those who illegally cross at a port of entry. I am referencing the total between the two since they are all crossing the border illegally.
CFordUNC said:
You’re arguing against data that clearly shows that apprehensions of would-be illegal border crossers is at a 4 year low (and roughly equivalent to the five, six, and seven year lows), and you are trying to argue that because there are people who overstayed work visas or something, that the Biden administration’s entire border security policy was a failure. It’s an asinine argument to make when there is data staring you right in the face proving otherwise.
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We define "illegal border crossers" differently. You define it as those who sneak across. I define it as a legal label.
 
ZenMode said:
The apprehension of a high number of illegal border crossers

There are two types of illegal border crossers. There are those who sneak across and those who illegally cross at a port of entry. I am referencing the total between the two since they are all crossing the border illegally.

We define "illegal border crossers" differently. You define it as those who sneak across. I define it as a legal label.
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The three most common methods of “illegal border crossing” are 1. Impermissibly crossing the border without the approval of the United States Customs and Border Patrol agent, which is a misdemeanor; 2. In permissibly overstaying a visa, which is a misdemeanor; 3. Abuse/violation of the Border Crossing Card.

Number one entails about 60% of illegal immigration, number two accounts for about 35%, and number three comprises another 3% or so.

The Biden administration’s border control policies- namely the massive increase in funding and resources to beef up personnel and technology at the southern border- accounted for a significant reduction in the most common method of illegal immigration. Ergo, it was successful policy implementation.
 
CFordUNC said:
The three most common methods of “illegal border crossing” are 1. Impermissibly crossing the border without the approval of the United States Customs and Border Patrol agent, which is a misdemeanor; 2. In permissibly overstaying a visa, which is a misdemeanor; 3. Abuse/violation of the Border Crossing Card.

Number one entails about 60% of illegal immigration, number two accounts for about 35%, and number three comprises another 3% or so.

The Biden administration’s border control policies- namely the massive increase in funding and resources to beef up personnel and technology at the southern border- accounted for a significant reduction in the most common method of illegal immigration. Ergo, it was successful policy implementation.
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Every asylum seeker, at every port of entry, HAS to cross the border illegally to request asylum. I'm not sure how that fits into your numbered classifications.
 
BlueSmoke said:
The President's pardon power may turn out to be the biggest problem and manifest itself in ways we haven't thought of. Of course, Trump will be shopping for bad people to do his bidding and handing out pardons to them. "Russia if you are listening" thing.

And, it could work the other way. Bad people shopping Trump. Just assassinate a Trump enemy and expect all your crimes to be pardoned. Trump would claim there's no evidence I have ever talked to this murderer but he's being treated so badly that I just have to pardon him. A signal pardon if you will.

Expect Trump to push the pardon power really quick to see if the public will bother to protest. And I bet his buddy Putin will even suggest this.
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Crap! It would take one mammoth dose of smelling salts to get the American public up to protest anything! We are sleepwalking into the RNC's dark abyss with really little resistance.
 
ZenMode said:
First, I don't watch Fox News channel. I don't watch MSNBC channel. I might watch CNN a total of an hour per month, but only because my wife has it on when I get home.

I do like to tune in to the opposite side of the Presidential election winner (so MSNBC last month) just to watch their faces melt as reality sets in, but that's about it.

Anything you think I'm incorrect about, I'm sure I can find support for on CNN, MSNBC or another outlet you approve of.
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Well, then, you must be a super tasty morsel for the mind worms if they are getting in without any exposure.

I'm quite sure that you cannot find anything about Hunter being a money launderer, unless you don't know what that term means. There is zero evidence of that, as far as I'm aware. There's bullshit from Comer's committee, which is a fucking joke and is just hoping to confuse people who don't know how things work. If there is any evidence of Hunter Biden laundering money -- evidence, not groundless speculation -- then yeah I'd like to see it.
 
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