Bigs23
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Young only played 7 minutes so him starting may not be an issue. Maybe he's out working everyone in practice and is being rewarded with the start.
Biorhythms for Carolina @Virginia: Noon Start
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They beat ncsulol by 15 in Raleigh in early January. They play the Wolpfack in late February and @ d00k at the end of February.
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I do think coaching in this era with NIL and unlimited transfers does make things much more complicated - whether it's Coach Davis going forward or another coach we have to figure out how to compete with the Duke's of the world in regard to recruiting - I do think if Caleb Wilson is a high draft pick and is successful in the NBA that will help us
I think a lot of Hubert supporters just do not post. What I find annoying about the Hubert haters is that typically when they are in full throat, it is right after a loss. So, salt in the wound stuff. And Stankey, I understand it is possible to enjoy a win and not think Hubert is the guy. I guess I just wonder why some idiot has to start a thread after we have perhaps our best win in four years questioning a substitution in the first 8 minutes of so of the game. While I was sort of joking about Hubert trying to motivate Stevenson, that actually might be the case for a well know. I know someone who knows Jaren and the family well. He told me pre-season the kid was soft and would be major disappointment. I have also heard he is a really nice kid, too nice. Perhaps Hubert is trying to light a fire under him.
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Stevenson's post game was interesting
Obviously he had a good game
But he talked about working out etc-he certainly was "tough" yesterday That was cool to see Mental growth
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Jarin, Dixon, Powell and Boga brought it yesterday. That second half was a thing of beauty. Credit to Hubert, I’ll admit to no faith but he gets the glory for that win. I hope this is the start of a great stretch run.
In the post-game, Jarin spoke about a lot of work-outs with his Dad in addition to the UNC practices.
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Let's be clear, the vast majority of posters (here and even on IC) are actively rooting for and supporting the current players and coaches. Even the majority of those who think a coaching change needs to be made hope this year's team wins all of their games. (I mean, it's the lack of winning games that has folks wanting a change.)
The things that annoy me about the "sunshine pumpers" are (in no particular order)...
1) The tendency to just shout "All is fine!" no matter how badly the team has played and how poor the results are. It's certainly a small number of posters, but there is a group of Chip Dillers who refuse to admit that there are any real problems with the program.
2) Blaming the players for issues in order to avoid putting the blame on the coach(es). The claims/implications that the players are lazy or unskilled or failing to listen to the coaches and are to blame for lack of team success.
3) Saying that folks are complaining because of "one bad game" or "one bad year". Folks aren't upset over "one bad [anything]", they're upset because the overall performance under Hubert has been consistently lacking.
4) Minimizing the issues of where things are under Hubert vis-a-vis our traditional success. This comes in a couple of forms...
A) Underselling Roy's accomplishments or overselling the dip that the program took for a season or 2 at the very end of Roy's career. Yep, there were a couple of rough years for Roy over the last 4, but those issues were largely addressed and Roy left the program in pretty good shape with a great set of players for Hubert.
B) Overselling the success Hubert has had. An example: Holding up stats like "Hubert has won 20 games every year!" Winning 20 games used to be a fairly significant accomplishment when teams played ~30 games a season but when teams now routinely play 35+ games a season, winning 20 games is no longer the achievement it used to be. (Another version of this is the idea that 2 games in 2022 are essentially a trump card over any other performance issues. Yes, we all enjoyed the end of Coach K's career, but those games don't excuse any or all other performance failures.)
5) Ignoring statistics that show how poorly our team plays on a regular basis. A couple of examples: Looking solely at the win-loss record when advanced metrics show that we're not playing nearly as well as our record would suggest. Or acting like making the NCAAT is an actual accomplishment for a progam the level of Carolina Basketball when we're making it as a low seed.
6) Blaming outside issues for the performance failures under HD, namely the claims that the biggest problems are COVID or NIL or the transfer portal. HD took over during COVID and it can't be reasonably blamed for anything beyond his first season (which was one of his better seasons with how it ended). NIL and the transfer portal is a systemic change and every program in CBB has had to address those changes. Carolina Basketball has more resources and advantages than nearly every other school in D1 and even P4 and should have been better positioned to address those changes rather than floundering due to them.
In short, what annoys me about the "positive folks" is that there is a consistent denial of the problems facing the program and a consistent tendency to blame everyone but HD for what problems are admitted. At some point, when the problems are consistent across years and aren't reasonably addressed, the responsibility correctly lies with the highest leadership of the program.
As far as positivity vs negativity, I think both are annoying when inappropriate and undeserved. I agree that folks on IC who were being negative after yesterday's win were annoying. But it is just as annoying when folks are overly positive when things are pretty obviously going poorly. Being positive or negative alone isn't the issue, it's being the one that isn't supported by the facts of how the program is performing.
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Facts are clearly interpreted differently depending on one's position of defense.
There a lot more going on here than wins and losses and historical comparisons.
It's also not as if Hubert has been a complete failure. There's a lot of nuance here.
It's not black and white regardless of what side of things you're on.
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Dixon has been a very pleasant surprise this season.
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This is where pay for play gets interesting as lower paid guys outplay the big money guys and get their minutes. Not sure how that plays out internally but it's another factor to navigate.
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I just hope we can cut Dixon a big enough check after this season. He is the one player who will have eligibility left and who will not be going pro who we absolutely need to retain. (And honestly, I generally want to retain everyone while adding players who will make the team better, but I know that’s not the reality.)
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But some of the criticisms are, consciously and subconsciously, black and white (melanin).
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@SnoopRob -- I feel like several of your "sunshiner" points are aimed at me and frankly, I don't mind being given a title like that. I am optimistic while I also am uber-cognizant of what I do not, and almost assuredly cannot, know about the players, the practices, and their daily lives, all of which factor into the way college basketball is played and managed in these times.
I also believe that the influence of COVID on the game (and the world for that matter) goes constantly underestimated. The pandemic literally changed everything -- and even moreso for those people on this earth who are now between about 12 and 24 years old. I come at this partially from the point of view of a teacher who sees how dramatically different these young people are from the generations that came before them.
And I believe that the mixing in of NIL and the Portal with the Covid Generation has exacerbated the changes inherent in the situation -- the college game, indeed, the entire college experience (or non-college as the case may be). This is uncharted territory and won't be understood until a goodly amount of time has passed if at all. What the first Pandemic of the early 20th century did to the mindset of the human race hasn't even been figured out yet (throw in World War One for good measure there). Of course, those times and these times are drastically different and only some lessons can be learned from looking at the first go-round.
Some coaches and programs seem to have weathered these factors better than others...but then, someone always wins the games don't they?
I also believe that the influence of COVID on the game (and the world for that matter) goes constantly underestimated. The pandemic literally changed everything -- and even moreso for those people on this earth who are now between about 12 and 24 years old. I come at this partially from the point of view of a teacher who sees how dramatically different these young people are from the generations that came before them.
And I believe that the mixing in of NIL and the Portal with the Covid Generation has exacerbated the changes inherent in the situation -- the college game, indeed, the entire college experience (or non-college as the case may be). This is uncharted territory and won't be understood until a goodly amount of time has passed if at all. What the first Pandemic of the early 20th century did to the mindset of the human race hasn't even been figured out yet (throw in World War One for good measure there). Of course, those times and these times are drastically different and only some lessons can be learned from looking at the first go-round.
Some coaches and programs seem to have weathered these factors better than others...but then, someone always wins the games don't they?
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Carolina's coaching staff can prepare the team as well as they possibly can, but it's still up to the players to make plays. The players have to play with the energy and intensity necessary to win games. During this season, over the years, and yesterday against UVA, we've all heard the coaches and players talk about that.
I think there are some Carolina fans who really want to see Carolina win every game, as we all do, but their "perception" of who Coach Davis was the day he was hired hasn't changed even though Coach Davis has grown significantly. They didn't think he was ready and thought he wasn't the right hire, and that perception seems to be locked in.
Maybe instead of watching the rest of the season assuming Coach Davis is the same coach they thought he was when he was hired, they could enjoy the rest of the season with an open mind with the possibility that maybe Coach Davis isn't the same coach today they thought he was then.
I'm really enjoying this season. No player plays his best every game, but this team has enough different pieces that can perform at a high level to make it a great season, even when everyone isn't playing their best. I'm optimistic that the players will continue to improve their skills, understanding and execution as the season progresses.
Carolina's coaching staff can prepare the team as well as they possibly can, but it's still up to the players to make plays. The players have to play with the energy and intensity necessary to win games. During this season, over the years, and yesterday against UVA, we've all heard the coaches and players talk about that.
I think there are some Carolina fans who really want to see Carolina win every game, as we all do, but their "perception" of who Coach Davis was the day he was hired hasn't changed even though Coach Davis has grown significantly. They didn't think he was ready and thought he wasn't the right hire, and that perception seems to be locked in.
Maybe instead of watching the rest of the season assuming Coach Davis is the same coach they thought he was when he was hired, they could enjoy the rest of the season with an open mind with the possibility that maybe Coach Davis isn't the same coach today they thought he was then.
I'm really enjoying this season. No player plays his best every game, but this team has enough different pieces that can perform at a high level to make it a great season, even when everyone isn't playing their best. I'm optimistic that the players will continue to improve their skills, understanding and execution as the season progresses.
I think one thing that Hubert does not have that dean constructed and benefitted from and Roy as well is "brand." Basically meaningless these days. We had kids leave the program. EC, lubin, Tyson, Washington,. Jackson, that played a lot. That would be unheard of back in day. They left for more minutes and money I suppose. This team with EC is a favorite to win it all. Someone spoke of nuance. Someone said if team shoots 65 percent on west coast from the FT line we are 18-2. I do think it's fair to point out that is a player issue largely. There is also a racial element to this. Trust me I think if you had roomful of 100 Hubert haters that 80 percent of them would need GPS to find dean dome. Not grads.
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None of my points were created due to or directed at any particular poster or set of posters. Those are attributes which I see widely across the entire set of pro-HD posters.
But there are certainly posters here and on IC to which these attributes are accurate.
I agree with you that COVID and NIL and the portal have had significant impacts on the college game, but they've had systemic impacts and not Carolina-specific impacts. If our current leadership isn't equipped to handle those changes well, then the only realistic options are to either accept failure or to change the current leadership.
So the question has become...do you want to keep the current leadership or do you want leadership which displays the ability to be successful in the current milieu of CBB?