Biorhythms for Carolina @Virginia: Post-Game Discussion

NYCBlueBlood said:
I think your rating system highlights the heart of the point of contention. To me, way too much weighting is put on the regular season. IMO any season where we make it to the NC game is a great season.

I get why others would disagree, but no rating system is going to change how I feel. For me anything to do with sports is all about how you finish. If I was a UVA fan, the year they were the overall #1 and then lost in the first round of the NCAAT... that would be a heartbreaking season I'd want to forget. The UVA game last week, to me that's a great game. We may have laid an egg to start, but we made adjustments, came back strong, and won in the end. That shows heart and determination.

It's like the old Dean Smith saying (I think it was Dean's), it's not who starts... it's who finishes. To me a great finish trumps everything that came before. But we all enjoy things in different ways. Reasonable minds can disagree.
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That's how I've always felt. The 2000 season (Guthridge's final season) was really hit-or-miss in the regular season, UNC was just 9-7 in conference play (18-12 total) and barely made the tournament, not unlike last year. Yet they went on a fantastic NCAA Tourney run and made the Final Four, so I've always looked on that as a very good, successful season, because it ended on such a high note. I'm well aware that others disagree, but personally I'd rather have an up-and-down regular season that ends on a Final Four run than a fantastic regular season that ends with a shocking early exit to a much lower-seeded team in the NCAA Tourney. Of course preferably you'd like to have both a great regular season and a great ending (Final Four run) to the season, but if forced to choose I'd prefer a great ending to a bumpy regular season to winning a bunch of regular season games that ends with an early round exit.

And having said that, it's not meant as a defense of Davis, just in agreement to what you said. There is no disagreement that Davis has had two really bad seasons and one decent (good) season, and then our marvelous Final Four run his first season (and yes it was rocky for much of the season, but I still believe it was a great year because of how it ended). I still think this year is make-or-break for him, and he needs a really strong finish to close out the season to keep his job or at least avoid serious questions about whether he should stay.
 
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stankeylegjones said:
I'm fairly confident that Dean did, but not exactly sure how to quantify it given the changes in the tournament during his earlier years. Roy went 19 for 31 in the seasons his teams were eligible.
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If you focus on the years Dean coached once the NCAAT expanded to 64 teams (for best comparisons), Dean’s teams reached the Sweet Sixteen 11 out of 13 times (approximately 85%). They reached the Elite Eight 8 out of 13 times (approximately 62%).
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
I think your rating system highlights the heart of the point of contention. To me, way too much weighting is put on the regular season. IMO any season where we make it to the NC game is a great season.

I get why others would disagree, but no rating system is going to change how I feel. For me anything to do with sports is all about how you finish. If I was a UVA fan, the year they were the overall #1 and then lost in the first round of the NCAAT... that would be a heartbreaking season I'd want to forget. The UVA game last week, to me that's a great game. We may have laid an egg to start, but we made adjustments, came back strong, and won in the end. That shows heart and determination.

It's like the old Dean Smith saying (I think it was Dean's), it's not who starts... it's who finishes. To me a great finish trumps everything that came before. But we all enjoy things in different ways. Reasonable minds can disagree.
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you think icky's weighting system gives too much weight to the regular season? how so?

i mean, you get double and triple the points for advancing out of the 1st and 2nd rounds as you do for winning the damn league over 3 months.

obviously, we'd all trade maui or bahamas or wherever early season tourney wins for success in the big dance.

but this general mindset glosses over the fact that if you don't have a good regular season, you have a lower chance or even no chance at all of finishing well. see our failures in 2023 and 2025.
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
I know I've brought this up before - but to those who think Coach Davis needs to be replaced - are you comfortable with the people who hired Bill Belichick being the ones who hire the next basketball coach?
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i'm still on the fence about HD. how the rest of this season plays out will be big. i was fully onboard the HD train until about midway through last season, FTR.

even with our frontcourt issues (which isn't something that happened through osmosis with no input from HD), last year was wildly disappointing relative to talent level.

i am not remotely confident in the people who hired BB. circus clowns.
 
Icky Mettle said:
The one season that’s a real conundrum for me is that 2000 season. The NCAAT Final Four run was a lot of fun, but everything before that NCAAT was the most miserable experience I had had as a UNC basketball fan prior to 2002.
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I can see the 2000 season being a harder one to feel was "great." I kind of missed that one. I moved from San Fran to NYC right as the season started, and there is nothing in the world like NYC in your mid-20s... so I didn't really pay as much attention to the regular season, and mostly just dialed in for the NCAAT. So for me it was a great season, as for me it kinda started and ended with a surprising run to the Final Four.

I also think it's different when there is a turning point well before the NCAAT. When you close the season out losing 4 of your last 6, including a bad loss to dook... there is a bit more sand in the shifting of the gears to the NCAAT run.
 
To me, one problem with having these discussions now is that they force us to relive bad moments, over and over again. They also force us to prognosticate bad moments. In other words, it forces us to experience the loss of the day, re-experience previous losses, and pre-experience future losses. They turn an O(N) process (i.e. each loss is experienced once) into an O(N^2) process. I think that's why they can really make people angry or excited.

I'd prefer to let the season play out and then have the discussion.
 
4thgenheel said:
you think icky's weighting system gives too much weight to the regular season? how so?

i mean, you get double and triple the points for advancing out of the 1st and 2nd rounds as you do for winning the damn league over 3 months.

obviously, we'd all trade maui or bahamas or wherever early season tourney wins for success in the big dance.

but this general mindset glosses over the fact that if you don't have a good regular season, you have a lower chance or even no chance at all of finishing well. see our failures in 2023 and 2025.
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"you think icky's weighting system gives too much weight to the regular season? how so?"

I don't think the regular season should have a 70% to 80% weighting toward deciding whether it was a good/bad season. IMO at most it's maybe 50%. It's a subjective thing. You clearly disagree. That's ok.

But for me there are key moments that make or break a season. Driving a dagger into the undead heart of K for the final game on his own home court with his heralded 4 lottery pick team... then taking them down again in the Final Four for his final game ever... all by a rookie UNC coach... after his farewell tour where he demanded homage at every away game he played... for me those two things alone make it a GREAT season. I can close my eyes right now and still see the look on his face when he knew he'd lost... bang, bang mfer...

I can forgive a lot in a regular season if things pick up in the second half of ACC play and it leads to a deep run. But god/bad/great is a subjective thing.
 
superrific said:
To me, one problem with having these discussions now is that they force us to relive bad moments, over and over again. They also force us to prognosticate bad moments. In other words, it forces us to experience the loss of the day, re-experience previous losses, and pre-experience future losses. They turn an O(N) process (i.e. each loss is experienced once) into an O(N^2) process. I think that's why they can really make people angry or excited.

I'd prefer to let the season play out and then have the discussion.
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I just relived Love driving a stake through K's heart on his own court... speak for yourself! :ROFLMAO:
 
tarheel 247 has an interview with John Henson
Says he is hearing the new Arena will have giant Jordan Brand logo on top
 
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