Biorhythms for state college game, 4 pm start over in Raleighwood

Centerpiece said:
Well, we did win the rebound battle 37-36. A little surprising after the way the game started. That was good.
We had 17 assists on 26 made baskets. That's not bad...
Not sure, did anybody get hurt/injured? If not, that's a good thing.
Leave Rawleigh 4-1 in ACC play, tied for 2nd place; 3 game winning streak. That's not bad.

But yeah, not a purdy win that's for sure. We had too many TO's, gave up 16 off. rebounds to them, and only hit 4-8 50% from the FT line.

The only observation I'll make is the refs seemed to let 'em play. Only 10 fouls called per team; 20 total. Probably benefited State in that regard.
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Yes, the refs really swallowed the whistles. They missed calls on both teams.

In the end I normally like that, but today it seemed to only fuel the frantic play of the first half and get the players tired. There was one stretch in the first half where both teams looked completely gassed, there hadn't been a break since the under 16 tv time out. Lots of missed shots.
 
Heelsandeers said:
RJ 36
Drake 34
Ian 32
EC 29
Seth 25

Thought they stuck with RJ/EC lineups a little too long but otherwise rotations were good

Subbed offense for defensive a couple times late iirc with Trimble and Elliot and both on the floor for last possession

Overall team defense was solid. Rebounding could've been better. The sloppy game it turned into early definitely benefited state
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I like the minutes distribution.

Bring RJ down to around 30 and I think we are better off.
 
Heelsandeers said:
Up 7 with the ball
Cadeau passes to Jwash who is grabbed and pulled out of bounds by Middlebrooks - no call and state gets the steal and 2 in transition
Next play
Cadeau grabbed and pulled down by Hill and loses the ball - no call and state gets the steal and fouled in transition making 2 FTs
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Yes, Middlebrooks pushed and pulled Washington around today, there should have been a few fouls called. It definitely gave the Cows and advantage.
 
I wonder how many State fans have come to regret that ACC title and Final 4 run as State has gone right back to Keatts' normal suckitude...

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And I wonder how many more years they'll keep him as a reward for one outrageous month?
 
SnoopRob said:
I wonder how many State fans have come to regret that ACC title and Final 4 run as State has gone right back to Keatts' normal suckitude...

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And I wonder how many more years they'll keep him as a reward for one outrageous month?
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Exactly. Without that run he's gone. Now they only wish he was gone.

He's really working on that stare down of the refs.

We really should have beaten them much worse today.
 
Bigs23 said:
They should prefer the magical run.

What’s a different coach gonna do? It’s lol.
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He brought them their first ACC title in a major sport in 37 years and first Final Four in 41 years. And while it was almost certainly a fluke, no one since Valvano has done any better. In fact, take away Valvano's miraculous national title run and he wasn't so great either, although he did get them to a couple of Elite Eights. I doubt he'll be going anywhere for a while since that run last year, which is pretty hilarious. And if it wasn't for Donut Dave beating us pretty regularly in football he would be gone too - beating UNC is the only real priority for them in almost any sport, although they're loath to admit it.
 
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UNCatTech said:
Exactly. Without that run he's gone. Now they only wish he was gone.

He's really working on that stare down of the refs.

We really should have beaten them much worse today.
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Had the refs called all of the actual fouls (both ways mind you) and we had gone to the line and hit our averages (attempts and makes) I think we win more handily. The non-calls benefitted State.
 
The non-calls created an atmosphere of chaos that derailed the game as normally played. That definitely helped state. A version of that was their bread and butter last year as their fat star was permitted to turn a game with rules into one of brute force.
 
As a player and a coach you do want to see some “let ‘Em play” aspects. But there has to be a line whereby when actual blood is spilled there is indeed a foul called.
 
BillOfRights said:
"Let 'em play" usually turns into a euphemism for "don't enforce the rules".
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Agree to that, but at the same time we don’t want to see every little ticky-tack “touch foul” called, or some ref blowing his whistle at the drop of the hat, completely taking any sort of flow out of the game, taking the air out of the ball, and creating a veritable parade to the FT line with both teams getting 40 FT attempts and 2 or 3 players on each team getting disqualified.

There is a discernible line between what we saw yesterday (and what State got away with last year, as donbosco pointed out) and the shocking 73 fouls called in a 2023 game, which led to a total of 102 free throws for both teams.

I’m just saying as a player - and a coach - you want to see some semblance of letting the players play and letting them decide the outcome of a game with, at the same time, calling the game fairly both ways and not letting a game get out of hand.

As has been said many a time, a great game for refs is when nobody in the gym notices they are even there. In yesterday’s game, the refs WERE indeed noticed for NOT calling some pretty obvious stuff… and it was to the Tar Heels disadvantage.

The great thing, and a good sign for the Heels, is that they fought through all of that and came away with the W in a very hostile environment.
 
Centerpiece said:
Agree to that, but at the same time we don’t want to see every little ticky-tack “touch foul” called, or some ref blowing his whistle at the drop of the hat, completely taking any sort of flow out of the game, taking the air out of the ball, and creating a veritable parade to the FT line with both teams getting 40 FT attempts and 2 or 3 players on each team getting disqualified.

There is a discernible line between what we saw yesterday (and what State got away with last year, as donbosco pointed out) and the shocking 73 fouls called in a 2023 game, which led to a total of 102 free throws for both teams.

I’m just saying as a player - and a coach - you want to see some semblance of letting the players play and letting them decide the outcome of a game with, at the same time, calling the game fairly both ways and not letting a game get out of hand.

As has been said many a time, a great game for refs is when nobody in the gym notices they are even there. In yesterday’s game, the refs WERE indeed noticed for NOT calling some pretty obvious stuff… and it was to the Tar Heels disadvantage.

The great thing, and a good sign for the Heels, is that they fought through all of that and came away with the W in a very hostile environment.
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Ya know...the game has changed a great deal in regard to fouling. As a boy learning the game one of the primary goals was not to foul...ever. Playing the game to avoid such a thing was paramount, especially at all levels below professional (where fouling was a part of strategy from the get-go and teams had designated thugs like "Jungle Jim" Loscutoff and Bailey Howell -- later the Laimbeers and Anthony Masons and Maurice Lucas types...today I don't know). That doesn't mean that there weren't rough players 'out there' on all levels. There also have always been dirty players.
 
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