Biorhythms for UNC @dook: 6:30 Start

stankeylegjones said:
I wasn’t arguing about who was handicapped the most.

Wilson is an amazing player, has a wonderful personality and attitude, but he’s not as good of a player as Boozer is, right now.
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No GM that knows anything about the current state of NBA basketball would take Boozer over Wilson. Maybe Petersen (head case) or AJ, but not Boozer. Sorry Dookie. Wilson is better now, still has not reached his potential and has a lot of upside. Kevin Garnett reincarnated but in a nicer, smarter package.
 
finesse said:
I keep hearing about how we're on equal ground but are you telling me that Cooper Flagg got all this without his Duke connection playing a part? Not saying that there's anything wrong if they are connected . I'm just saying I don't see a "subsidy" like that getting past our BoT. It would, however cast doubt on how level that playing field is.


Cooper Flagg reportedly secured approximately $28 million in Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals during his lone season at Duke University. This total primarily includes a reported $13 million deal with New Balance and a $15 million contract with Fanatics.
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One, I'd be suspicious of the numbers given the source (unless that YTer is a better source than I recognize).

Two, Cooper Flagg would have likely gotten nearly all of that at any P4 university because it's based as much on his NBA potential as anything he'd do in college. I also sincerely doubt anyone at Carolina would have done anything at all to stop it had he wanted to come here, because it's all completely legal under NIL (actually the way the system was designed to work) and because Carolina has had no problem with similar, smaller deals to our players in the past and present.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Caleb signed with New Balance as well. So it’s not that you have to go to Duke to get deals.

I think an important question, assuming that by going to Duke you get more from the same companies as you’re implying, is why is that the case. Why would a company invest more in player x than they would in player y, how does going to Duke factor in, etc?
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The same thing that built the whole program, good coaching, good players and access to money and connections in gray and not so gray areas that public schools can't as easily take advantage of. Notice that I'm neither saying they did anything wrong or things that we wouldn't. I would say that they had all of Dean's and most of Roy's times not worrying much about us doing that. Not having a blemish like two years of substandard basketball from a HoF coach in your record helps, too, if it's meant to directly compare us.
 
Mundial said:
No GM that knows anything about the current state of NBA basketball would take Boozer over Wilson. Maybe Petersen (head case) or AJ, but not Boozer. Sorry Dookie. Wilson is better now, still has not reached his potential and has a lot of upside. Kevin Garnett reincarnated but in a nicer, smarter package.
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So you're saying it's an absolute lock that Wilson is drafted above Boozer in a few months?
 
SnoopRob said:
One, I'd be suspicious of the numbers given the source (unless that YTer is a better source than I recognize).

Two, Cooper Flagg would have likely gotten nearly all of that at any P4 university because it's based as much on his NBA potential as anything he'd do in college. I also sincerely doubt anyone at Carolina would have done anything at all to stop it had he wanted to come here, because it's all completely legal under NIL (actually the way the system was designed to work) and because Carolina has had no problem with similar, smaller deals to our players in the past and present.
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Maybe. But you can't tell me that showcasing his talents at a headliner university is to everybody's advantage even the public. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. More than anything else, it got me thinking about that kind of money behind these offers. Could they actually push players in a certain direction partly because they were fans? Would they do the same for money and favors? Fwiw, I ran across that factoid about Flagg looking for some entirely different. Wasn't meant as a call out. It's just what triggered this train of thought. We really need a better system for everybody
 
finesse said:
Maybe. But you can't tell me that showcasing his talents at a headliner university is to everybody's advantage even the public. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. More than anything else, it got me thinking about that kind of money behind these offers. Could they actually push players in a certain direction partly because they were fans? Would they do the same for money and favors? Fwiw, I ran across that factoid about Flagg looking for some entirely different. Wasn't meant as a call out. It's just what triggered this train of thought. We really need a better system for everybody
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I'm sure that Flagg going to an elite program was a part of his personal marketing plan and played a small role in the NIL he was able to attract. While dook is arguably the top program in the country in the short-term view, Carolina is long-term a top 3 program and the brand still helps a lot in getting high-level recruits.

There are certainly folks at any large school looking to do NIL deals because of their love of the school, but those aren't the large-scale deals like these from NB or Fanatics. It really appears that most of the folks looking to use money to get kids to specific schools are (were?) doing so via the NIL collectives (although the future of the NIL collectives are a little uncertain right now). But, yes, I can certainly see that there is the possibility that a very wealthy alum/fan of a school would hand out NIL deals to recruits to attract students, but we've not yet seen that happen in reality and that isn't the case for the deals like NB has signed with Flagg or Caleb or Fanatics with various players across schools and sports.
 
Can't really go wrong with Boozer or Caleb, this draft has 4 or 5 guys that would be the top pick in weaker draft classes.

Boozer is probably the safest pick, so polished, but doesn't have the potential to be a top 100 all time nba player.

Caleb does have that potential, and Boozer wants no part of Caleb in a one on one match up.
 
You understand that, as a matter of principle, I am highly skeptical about everything. Looking at things in this context helps greatly.
 
whatntarnation said:
Can't really go wrong with Boozer or Caleb, this draft has 4 or 5 guys that would be the top pick in weaker draft classes.

Boozer is probably the safest pick, so polished, but doesn't have the potential to be a top 100 all time nba player.

Caleb does have that potential, and Boozer wants no part of Caleb in a one on one match up.
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Why would you say that Boozer doesn't have top 100 oat potential?

The Athletic did a ranking of the top 100 NBA players oat last August, here's their 91-100...

91. Jayson Tatum
92. Bernard King
93. Bill Sharman
94. Artis Gilmore
95. Sidney Moncrief
96. Lenny Wilkens
97. Dave DeBusschere
98. Dave Bing
99. Jimmy Butler
100. Draymond Green

I'm not saying Boozer will be better than any of those players (nor that those players are certainly the 91-100 best NBA players oat), but it seems like the potential is there for him to be that good of a player.
 
finesse said:
You understand that, as a matter of principle, I am highly skeptical about everything. Looking at things in this context helps greatly.
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Well, sure, if you start with the belief that something fucky is going on then you can likely find some circumstantial evidence of something fucky going on.
 
So, I'll ask all of y'all...

I had to miss watching the game last night because my kid had an event. Should I watch it today or is this a "burn the tape" game?
 
Mundial said:
No GM that knows anything about the current state of NBA basketball would take Boozer over Wilson. Maybe Petersen (head case) or AJ, but not Boozer. Sorry Dookie. Wilson is better now, still has not reached his potential and has a lot of upside. Kevin Garnett reincarnated but in a nicer, smarter package.
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I completely agree that Wilson has not reached his potential, and I do think that Boozer is closer to his than Wilson is. I have not seen any mock that has Wilson ahead of Boozer. Will that play out, who knows. But, to say "No GM that knows anything about the current state of NBA basketball would take Boozer over Wilson." is ridiculous.
 
SnoopRob said:
So, I'll ask all of y'all...

I had to miss watching the game last night because my kid had an event. Should I watch it today or is this a "burn the tape" game?
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First half + 1-2 minutes of the second half, fought hard. Still gave up a lot of open shots and offensive rebounds, turnovers, but were competing. Burn it after that.
 
From Tipton (via Rell), regarding recruiting:

“You know, they’re a well-oiled machine right now,” said the agent. “Honestly man, I feel like there’s really not a team that’s kind of got the structure and build like Duke. You know, they’ve got (Baker) in the background of things helping with their NIL operations…(she’s) got deep ties in all areas of grassroots and so on. They can essentially get involved with whoever they want.”


“They’ve (UNC) got to kind of re-evaluate who they’re going after and how they’re approaching it. Because if they want to be at the same level as Duke, they’ve got to change some things. I feel like North Carolina has all the resources and tools they want to be good, but they just seem a little behind.”
 
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