Biorhythms for UNC @Stanford: 9 pm Tip on ACCN

[BillOfRights]

Disturbing trend:

Against SMU, Trimble had a career offensive day (22 P, 5A, 0 TO), but Carolina was outscored by 23 in the 36:08 Trimble was on the floor, and Carolina outscored SMU by 9 in the 3:52 Trimble was on the bench

16:53 on -8, 3:07 off +8 in the first half
19:15 on -15, 0:45 off +1 in the second half

Against Stanford, Trimble had "some good some bad" offensive performance, 13P, 5-9 FGs, 2-4 FTs, 0 assists, 3 TOs, but Carolina was outscored by 11 in the 36:27 Trimble was on the floor, and Carolina outscored Stanford by 6 in the 3:33 Trimble was on the bench.

18:57 on -3, 1:03 off +5 in the first half
17:30 on -8, 2:30 off +1 in the second half

It appears his defense has taken a severe dip as he is trying to expand his role and scoring on offense. How much of that is because he's been asked to play PG?

In these 2 losses, Carolina is -34 in 72:35 with Trimble on the floor, and +15 in 7:25 with Trimble on the bench. That's a MASSIVE swing.

 

[wmheel1287]

I was replying to the dismissal of Hubert's first season on the basis that we were a #8 seed, which completely overlooks what a great season that turned out to be. I was often struck that season by how dismissive many UNC fans were on IC of how great that season ended - on the free board there were posters still complaining about Hubert and how that season had gone overall even when we were in the Final Four and beat dook, which struck me (then and now) as absurd.

And I didn't say that Hubert should stay as coach because of his first season, and in fact I have already posted that this season was make-or-break for him and as of right now it doesn't look good for him, and if things continue to go south I agree that he should be let go at the end of the season. But I do think that even if he is fired or steps down he will always hold a place in UNC coaching lore for our great run at the end of his first season. He may turn out not to have been the right coach for us in the long run, but being the only UNC coach to beat dook in the NCAA tounament, and in the Final Four no less, and to send K into retirement, is still a pretty damned good legacy even if he is let go.

Then we agree.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I was replying to the dismissal of Hubert's first season on the basis that we were a #8 seed, which completely overlooks what a great season that turned out to be. I was often struck that season by how dismissive many UNC fans were on IC of how great that season ended - on the free board there were posters still complaining about Hubert and how that season had gone overall even when we were in the Final Four and beat dook, which struck me (then and now) as absurd.

And I didn't say that Hubert should stay as coach because of his first season, and in fact I have already posted that this season was make-or-break for him and as of right now it doesn't look good for him, and if things continue to go south I agree that he should be let go at the end of the season. But I do think that even if he is fired or steps down he will always hold a place in UNC coaching lore for our great run at the end of his first season. He may turn out not to have been the right coach for us in the long run, but being the only UNC coach to beat dook in the NCAA tounament, and in the Final Four no less, and to send K into retirement, is still a pretty damned good legacy even if he is let go.

I didn’t dismiss the entire season. I pointed out that you shouldn’t call it a good season, overall. It was a bad 2/3 of a season followed by a magical run. He’s had one good season and a magical 1/3 of a season. The rest has been bad to awful.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I didn’t dismiss the entire season. I pointed out that you shouldn’t call it a good season, overall. It was a bad 2/3 of a season followed by a magical run. He’s had one good season and a magical 1/3 of a season. The rest has been bad to awful.

It was one of the greatest seasons in UNC history - you should judge seasons by how they ended, imo, not by how they went the first half or 2/3 or whatever. And his third season wasn't bad, we did go 29-8 and were a #1 seed. Again, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be fired at the end of this season if things continue to go south, but I do find arguments that his first season wasn't a great one (uneven start and all) to be a strange argument. Who cares that we were a #8 seed, given how it ended? In 1999-2000 under Coach Guthridge UNC struggled the entire season even though we were ranked #6 preseason, but we went on another "miracle" run and made the Final Four. Was that season also not good overall?

 

[stankeylegjones]

It was one of the greatest seasons in UNC history - you should judge seasons by how they ended, imo, not by how they went the first half or 2/3 or whatever. And his third season wasn't bad, we did go 29-8 and were a #1 seed. Again, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't be fired at the end of this season if things continue to go south, but I do find arguments that his first season wasn't a great one (uneven start and all) to be a strange argument. Who cares that we were a #8 seed, given how it ended? In 1999-2000 under Coach Guthridge UNC struggled the entire season even though we were ranked #6 preseason, but we went on another "miracle" run and made the Final Four. Was that season also not good overall?

Yes, I agree his third season was a good one. Do you consider UVA’s 2018 a good season? 2023 for Purdue?

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Yes, I agree his third season was a good one. Do you consider UVA’s 2018 a good season? 2023 for Purdue?

Actually, they're those UNC teams I mentioned in reverse - great regular seasons and shocking upsets at the end. Good seasons certainly, but not great, because not only did they not end well, but ended in shocking first-round upsets. It's obviously better for a team to do both - great regular season followed by a great NCAA tourney run, but absent that I'd rather a team struggle for most of the regular season and then end on a really high note than do the opposite, no? And I'd add that making a Final Four makes for a great season, no matter how much the team struggled earlier. Having a great regular season followed by severe postseason disappointment (like losing in the first round as a #1 seed) makes for a good, not great, season.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Actually, they're those UNC teams I mentioned in reverse - great regular seasons and shocking upsets at the end. Good seasons certainly, but not great, because not only did they not end well, but ended in shocking first-round upsets. It's obviously better for a team to do both - great regular season followed by a great NCAA tourney run, but absent that I'd rather a team struggle for most of the regular season and then end on a really high note than do the opposite, no? And I'd add that making a Final Four makes for a great season, no matter how much the team struggled earlier. Having a great regular season followed by severe postseason disappointment (like losing in the first round as a #1 seed) makes for a good, not great, season.

Ah, I see where you’re coming from now. Thanks for clarifying.

Personally, using your rubric to grade, I wouldn’t come up with a mark of good, but the difference between our marks would be small.