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lawtig02 said:
I don't think this statement is comprehensible, but if I'm understanding it, are you suggesting the people running public schools are subpar compared with other educators? If so, I couldn't disagree more strongly.
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No, I'm saying competition raises the bar (public and private) and the best (teachers, administrators, etc.) will stand out. When staffed with highly competent people, most schools succeed. You can no longer say public staff are better overall than private staff because many left public education to teach in private schools due to the bureaucracy and other types of bullshit that they don't have to put up with in private education.
 
Bigs23 said:
In reality public schools get better the better teachers, admin, support staff, etc.

Only the most expensive, elite private schools are competitive and those are more about who attends than who works there.
Most private schools are not on par with the public schools
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Yeah, I can't speak for other states, but I don't think many people realize just how poorly paid many private school teachers in NC are, even when compared to public school pay, which sucks (NC now ranks 43rd in the nation in teacher pay). I have a friend that teaches at a historic private school in central NC, and she said that sometimes people will say something like "oh, you must get paid really well compared to public school", but her pay is actually about $8,000 below NC public teacher pay for her years of experience. My guess is some private schools in the Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham areas pay better, but I know that most private schools in the Triad area, for example, pay significantly less than NC public schools. People who think that private school teachers get better pay and benefits would likely be very surprised at the salaries and benefits offered at many of these schools - they stay in business and turn a profit in part because they don't pay their employees very much.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yeah, I can't speak for other states, but I don't think many people realize just how poorly paid many private school teachers in NC are, even when compared to public school pay, which sucks (NC now ranks 43rd in the nation in teacher pay). I have a friend that teaches at a historic private school in central NC, and she said that sometimes people will say something like "oh, you must get paid really well compared to public school", but her pay is actually about $8,000 below NC public teacher pay for her years of experience. My guess is some private schools in the Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham areas pay better, but I know that most private schools in the Triad area, for example, pay significantly less than NC public schools. People who think that private school teachers get better pay and benefits would likely be very surprised at the salaries and benefits offered at many of these schools - they stay in business and turn a profit in part because they don't pay their employees very much.
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Bingo.
I looked into teaching private at one point… until I saw it would be a significant cut in pay and bennies. I stuck it out, then got promoted to an admin job with public schools. Retired after 4 years of that. Happy as a clam.
 
Callatoroy said:
Wait, you don't think tax / voucher money should be used for parents to send kids to conservative, fundamentalist Christian schools but you have a problem if I don't want tax money going to support a liberal biased NPR or for abortions? The absolute definition of hypocrisy.
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Oh, what bullshit. Where in my post did I mention abortion or NPR? Nice distraction. I'm sure you've heard of separation of church and state, which used to exist in this country. What business is it of the US government to promote one religion (or a preferred branch of one religion - in most cases Evangelical Christianity) over all others? It's not the same and you know it, and again, that's not even the point of the post.

And I hate to tell you this, but vouchers are not being used to send poor or even middle class kids from public schools to private ones. In NC 91% of vouchers are being used by affluent parents to help pay the tuition for the private schools their kids are already attending. Thus the whole argument about sending kids from "failing public schools" to supposedly superior private ones is irrelevant, because that's not what the vast majority of NC voucher money is being used for. All you're really doing is using your tax money to help well-to-do parents pay for their kid's private school education that they probably could have paid by themselves. There's a word for that kind of person, and it's called being a sucker. Are you happy being a taxpayer sucker to pay for mostly affluent parents to keep their kids in a private school that they're already attending? Because I'm not.
 
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Callatoroy said:
No, I'm saying competition raises the bar (public and private) and the best (teachers, administrators, etc.) will stand out. When staffed with highly competent people, most schools succeed. You can no longer say public staff are better overall than private staff because many left public education to teach in private schools due to the bureaucracy and other types of bullshit that they don't have to put up with in private education.
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Its interesting that you think competition matters in getting the best people but I bet you surely dont advocate for paying teachers competitive salaries to other private industry. That’s what it takes for the best minds to become teachers.

Also, you are wrong that private education staff overall is anywhere in the realm of competitive with public education staff. The comparison isn't even close.
 
Callatoroy said:
Wait, you don't think tax / voucher money should be used for parents to send kids to conservative, fundamentalist Christian schools but you have a problem if I don't want tax money going to support a liberal biased NPR or for abortions? The absolute definition of hypocrisy.
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So you support US taxpayers paying for "radical Islamic indoctrination". Interesting concept you have there.
 
Callatoroy said:
Folks like me believe that taxes continue to go up but results don't improve proportionally. It's far beyond time to overhaul a broken system.
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I will take that post as confirmation that you do do not believe public schools are a shared common expense that the entire community pays into and benefits from.

I live in a community where "the system" is not broken because the community invests in the public school education its kids receive.

It seems that the red state GQPer communities have failed to support its public schools and have suffered the consequences.
 
Huh. For the 23/24 school year, the Atlanta Public Schools spent $22,620 per student. Up from 19k the previous school year. We should be seeing something approaching elite private school results.
 
Ramrouser said:
Huh. For the 23/24 school year, the Atlanta Public Schools spent $22,620 per student. Up from 19k the previous school year. We should be seeing something approaching elite private school results.
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Sure. Problem students that are required to be admitted to a public school, no matter their circumstances, are going to always do as well as a selected group of students. I doubt even you buy that.
 
Some Atlanta private schools, like Woodward Academy, do take students with learning disabilities and have special classes and teachers for them. There is an added tuition cost.

I can't imagine problem students account for a significant amount of the APS's budget. I agree though it is a factor.
 
Ramrouser said:
Some Atlanta private schools, like Woodward Academy, do take students with learning disabilities and have special classes and teachers for them. There is an added tuition cost.

I can't imagine problem students account for a significant amount of the APS's budget. I agree though it is a factor.
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Are you intentionally obtuse? Not the budget but the educational outcome is the issue that is affected. I sure hope your PA is good.
 
Ramrouser said:
Huh. For the 23/24 school year, the Atlanta Public Schools spent $22,620 per student. Up from 19k the previous school year. We should be seeing something approaching elite private school results.
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Cost of most things are higher in an urban setting such as Atlanta. Is the cost per student increase disproportionate to the standard cost increases year over year of other industry in Atlanta?

That is a pretty high number. But I'm confident that there's more to the analysis than administrators are just throwing money out the window.
 
Ramrouser said:
Huh. For the 23/24 school year, the Atlanta Public Schools spent $22,620 per student. Up from 19k the previous school year. We should be seeing something approaching elite private school results.
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actually, it is around 18k per child this year and it covers special needs children and increased health insurance costs for employees. I don't know the comparison between Atlanta public schools and elite private schools that screen students for acceptance based upon academic performance, but then again I'm not all about comparing apples to bottles of Dom Perignon.

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Atlanta Public Schools budget for FY2026 set at $1.85 billion — Center for Civic Innovation

The Atlanta Board of Education unanimously approved a $1.85B budget for Fiscal Year 2026 (July 1, 2025 – June 30, 2026). The budget includes $1.3B General Fund spending – a 2% increase from last year driven by rising costs for employee benefits . 64% of the General Fund, Atlanta Public Schools’ pri
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After reading a couple articles regarding Atlanta and Forsyth county, it really just open up a lot of questions.

One good thing I read, Atlanta public schools made significant progress in 4th grade reading. With a 6.9 point increase from 2022 to 2024.

Atlanta public schools have approximately 50k students, ranking outside the top 5 in Georgia districts.

The state of Georgia ranks 26th in the US.
 
BillOfRights said:
How did the people of Germany in the 1930s let Hitler happen? Just like calla, river, and ram are doing now.

trump could rape a 14-year-old on 5th Avenue, send 6,0000,000 Latinos to gas chambers then run for president again in 2028 and they would still vote for him.
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But they'd sure own the libs, wouldn't they? Their entire families could be gassed and they'd still bleat about "WINNING!"
 
UNCMSinLS said:
But they'd sure own the libs, wouldn't they? Their entire families could be gassed and they'd still bleat about "WINNING!"
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It really is something reading the replies to tweets and social media posts from news media articles about almost anything Trump-related. His supporters main defense of almost anything he does boils down "he's owning those libs, and I just love it!" And that's it. Very few of the posts actually try to defend his "big, beautiful bill", or attacks on US universities, or other actions, instead the posts nearly always boil down to "he makes the libs mad and they have TDS and it makes me so happy". Kind of sad, really.
 
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