Border walls are no longer racist

We can also read the link you provide and see how much you are trolling.

She is supporting bi partisan legislation. The GOP is the party that wants the wall. The issue with the wall is not that it is racist but that it is ineffective. There ARE provisions in the bill that ARE effective though - and the way congress works is that you often have to compromise to gain a net positive.
 
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If you just threw in a “MAGAT” or “Trumper”…

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Problem is, I have a memory. Not a great one, but good enough to remember as far back as to Trump’s presidency. While you might not agree with its validity, the argument that the border wall and anyone that supported its construction were racist has been made many times on these boards, often by the very same usernames that seem to be the most vociferous of Harris supporters. As someone who has contunuously supported the construction of a wall as a part of efforts to increase control of illegal immigration, I’d be interested in hearing from those who have made that argument in the past. Do they hide behind the “it’s just a compromise” nonsense, have they changed their opinions on the issue, or are they okay with just a little racism in order to pick up a few votes? That’s a fair question to ask after years of being labeled racist, no?
 
Croatoan said:
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Backtrack, spin, and excuse? Check.
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If you just threw in a “MAGAT” or “Trumper”…

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Problem is, I have a memory. Not a great one, but good enough to remember as far back as to Trump’s presidency. While you might not agree with its validity, the argument that the border wall and anyone that supported its construction were racist has been made many times on these boards, often by the very same usernames that seem to be the most vociferous of Harris supporters. As someone who has contunuously supported the construction of a wall as a part of efforts to increase control of illegal immigration, I’d be interested in hearing from those who have made that argument in the past. Do they hide behind the “it’s just a compromise” nonsense, have they changed their opinions on the issue, or are they okay with just a little racism in order to pick up a few votes? That’s a fair question to ask after years of being labeled racist, no?
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Are you a Trumper?
Inquiring minds want to know... 😉
 
p5mmr9 said:
We can also read the link you provide and see how much you are trolling.

She is supporting bi partisan legislation. The GOP is the party that wants the wall. The issue with the wall is not that it is racist but that it is ineffective. There ARE provisions in the bill that ARE effective though - and the way congress works is that you often have to compromise to gain a net positive.
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I'm guessing he did not read the article beyond the click bait headline.
 
It literally says she'll sign the immigration bill that Republicans have been wanting, if they'll pass it. Which is still dumb to say. It could've already been signed now by Biden. This should make every Republican who is big on immigration WANT to vote for her. If immigration is a key issue to you, then this 100% should shore up any complaints about one of the very tip-top issues.

Trump doesn't actually want to fix immigration issues, he just wants to punish those that have already come here illegally.
 
Croatoan said:
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If you just threw in a “MAGAT” or “Trumper”…

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Problem is, I have a memory. Not a great one, but good enough to remember as far back as to Trump’s presidency. While you might not agree with its validity, the argument that the border wall and anyone that supported its construction were racist has been made many times on these boards, often by the very same usernames that seem to be the most vociferous of Harris supporters. As someone who has contunuously supported the construction of a wall as a part of efforts to increase control of illegal immigration, I’d be interested in hearing from those who have made that argument in the past. Do they hide behind the “it’s just a compromise” nonsense, have they changed their opinions on the issue, or are they okay with just a little racism in order to pick up a few votes? That’s a fair question to ask after years of being labeled racist, no?
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Did I ever say the wall was racist? No, I did not. Keep that in mind while I respond to your post.
Kamala supports the bipartisan bill. Sometimes to get things done you have to take the good with the bad.
If that means some money goes to a wall, so be it.
Do you support the bipartisan bill or not?
 
It’s not that border walls are “racist”, whatever that means, (JD, is that you?). It’s that something that can be scaled, climbed over, tunneled under, or simply walked around, is an almost wholly ineffective and inefficient way to secure the border. We need strong border security- I don’t think anyone on either side of the political aisle would argue that. But border walls are not border security. They are performative political theater. We have the technology to actually secure the border- things like autonomous border towers, surveillance drones, ground sensors, radar, manned aircraft, satellites, biometric identification, facial recognition, etc. Problem is, the Republicans tanked their own immigration reform and border security bill- the one that Kamala Harris says she will sign into law as soon as it hits her desk- that was the most comprehensive for security package in decades.
 
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If you want immigration reform, Harris supports the bipartisan bill and Trump does not. That’s the bottom line.
If you support the bipartisan bill, then Harris is the preferred candidate on that point.
But some can’t admit that so they pull out some lame “flip-flopping” angle in an attempt to obfuscate.
We get it. Trump is a terrible candidate so you have to grasp at anything so you can have some excuse for supporting him.
I’d say “good try,” but it really isn’t.
 
I don't know that I've ever considered the border wall aka Trump's Folly to be racist. I just think that a wall is largely ineffective. I prefer a boots on the ground/tech in the sky approach. Let's put more border patrol agents to work. Let's keep those drones flying and identifying. Harris committing to build more wall is not something that resonates with me, but rest assured I will still vote for her with great enthusiasm. I will concede this: I don't hate Trump's idea of taking it to the cartels, but that's a whole other can of worms. Just one libtard's thoughts on this Wednesday morning. Hope you all have a great day. GO HEELS!
 
Croatoan said:
Accuse of trolling? Check.
Change/minimize subject of thread? Check.
Backtrack, spin, and excuse? Check.
Question source? Check.

If you just threw in a “MAGAT” or “Trumper”…

7/10

Problem is, I have a memory. Not a great one, but good enough to remember as far back as to Trump’s presidency. While you might not agree with its validity, the argument that the border wall and anyone that supported its construction were racist has been made many times on these boards, often by the very same usernames that seem to be the most vociferous of Harris supporters. As someone who has contunuously supported the construction of a wall as a part of efforts to increase control of illegal immigration, I’d be interested in hearing from those who have made that argument in the past. Do they hide behind the “it’s just a compromise” nonsense, have they changed their opinions on the issue, or are they okay with just a little racism in order to pick up a few votes? That’s a fair question to ask after years of being labeled racist, no?
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So first of all, the original post is pretty straightforwardly a classic trolling attempt. You made no real attempt to discuss the article you were posting (if you even read it), to give your own opinion on it, or to solicit other people's opinions on it. Instead, you used a snarky, rage-baiting title that posits a strawman position and was meant to antagonize, not to seek discussion or debate. Then, in this follow-up post, you made clear that this post is just some sort of gotcha based on the fact that you were supposedly told years ago that you were racist because of something something border wall. In other words, this is just some vague airing of grievances in which you apparently expect us to remember verbatim, take responsibility for, and apologize for unidentified posts by unidentified posters made years ago. How exactly are we supposed to do that?

Second, you are misconstruing (probably unintentionally) the intersection of "racist" and "border wall." Trump's 2016 stump speeches railing on the border wall were typical dog-whistling meant to stoke simmering racist, nativist, and anti-immigrant sentiment and drive white voters to the polls based on fear and hate (it worked!). That doesn't mean everyone who supports a border wall is racist, or that the wall itself is racist, but it does mean that the border wall (as the icon of Trump's immigration policy collectively) became a rallying cry for people looking for an acceptable way to express racist and/or anti-immigrant sentiment that was not considered socially acceptable to voice out loud. In that sense it's much the same as Fox News' periodic fearmongering about a MIGRANT CARAVAN or the people (including Trump) who describe the border situation by calling it an INVASION (both of which are transparently ridiculous).

if you have any thoughts on the bipartisan border bill or Harris's position, feel free to actually post them for discussion. But the idea that Harris now supports Trump's border wall is silly - the bipartisan border bill calls for a fraction of the funding and a fraction of the scope of Trump's inane idea to line the entire southern border with a wall.
 
ChileG said:
If you want immigration reform, Harris supports the bipartisan bill and Trump does not. That’s the bottom line.
If you support the bipartisan bill, then Harris is the preferred candidate on that point.
But some can’t admit that so they pull out some lame “flip-flopping” angle in an attempt to obfuscate.
We get it. Trump is a terrible candidate so you have to grasp at anything so you can have some excuse for supporting him.
I’d say “good try,” but it really isn’t.
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You can sell that horseshit to someone else; I’m not buying. That weak bill was nothing more than a last minute ploy by the administration to show some sort of action/enforcement/interest in the border in an election year. After, three years of utter incompetence. Please. And if this was such a truly “bipartisan” bill, it would have flown through the Senate. Quite frankly, I’m surprised the feckless R’s didn’t help pass it; that would’ve been par for the course for those dumbasses.

Besides, if you never thought border walls were racist in the first place, my poasts weren’t addressing you.
 
Did Kamala Harris ever call border walls racist? If not then who gives a fuck if a few message board posters did? You may not think that the border bill that was negotiated between R's and D's went far enough, but that's what governing is about - making compromises to come up with the most palatable solution for all. Harris is doing just that by allowing for stupid border walls even though they won't work in order to get something done. Your guy is just blocking any progress in pursuit of his own personal benefit.
 
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You can sell that horseshit to someone else; I’m not buying. That weak bill was nothing more than a last minute ploy by the administration to show some sort of action/enforcement/interest in the border in an election year. After, three years of utter incompetence. Please. And if this was such a truly “bipartisan” bill, it would have flown through the Senate. Quite frankly, I’m surprised the feckless R’s didn’t help pass it; that would’ve been par for the course for those dumbasses.

Besides, if you never thought border walls were racist in the first place, my poasts weren’t addressing you.
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You obviously never read the bill, have no idea what was in it.

You’re just reciting bullshit that you heard on Fox/OANN and/or from Trump or MAGA folks.
 
1) Illegal Mexicans and Central Americans are murderers and rapists.
2) Some, I suppose, are good people.
3) Let's build a wall to keep them out.

Quiz:

Which of these statements is racist:

1) One
2) Two
3) Three
4) Both One and Two
 
Croatoan said:
You can sell that horseshit to someone else; I’m not buying. That weak bill was nothing more than a last minute ploy by the administration to show some sort of action/enforcement/interest in the border in an election year. After, three years of utter incompetence. Please. And if this was such a truly “bipartisan” bill, it would have flown through the Senate. Quite frankly, I’m surprised the feckless R’s didn’t help pass it; that would’ve been par for the course for those dumbasses.

Besides, if you never thought border walls were racist in the first place, my poasts weren’t addressing you.
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lol come on man.

www.nbcnews.com

Senate Republicans knife bipartisan border security bill, declaring it dead

After a Senate Republican meeting, McConnell told reporters it's clear "we have no real chance here to make a law" on border security. The move jeopardizes Ukraine and Israel aid.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
Croatoan said:
You can sell that horseshit to someone else; I’m not buying. That weak bill was nothing more than a last minute ploy by the administration to show some sort of action/enforcement/interest in the border in an election year. After, three years of utter incompetence. Please. And if this was such a truly “bipartisan” bill, it would have flown through the Senate. Quite frankly, I’m surprised the feckless R’s didn’t help pass it; that would’ve been par for the course for those dumbasses.

Besides, if you never thought border walls were racist in the first place, my poasts weren’t addressing you.
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It’s really bizarre that most of the people who post on this board don’t see the “bipartisan bill” for what it was - a desperate attempt to finally take action (after 3 years of inaction) on the border crisis, and remove the Biden/Harris administration’s biggest weakness from being an issue in the 2024 election. It was all politics. Just as the Republicans killing the bill in an election year was also all politics.
 
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