Britain votes to legalize euthanasia.

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Paywalled so I don’t know the details, but choice in dying is a good thing, IMO (assuming cognitive capacity). Leaving people drugged to zombification, in intermittent excruciating pain, and oscillating in and out of delirium isn’t humane, it’s just guilt avoidance.
 
Treating their old worn out humans as well as they treat their old worn out dogs. The unbelievable suffering we put people through to make ourselves feel better is just immoral IMO.

Our stance on that is one of many laws where we think it's appropriate to curb individual rights because assholes think they have a right to inflict their moral ,religious or philosophical codes on others because it hurts their feelings. Laws should have to justify their impact on individuals because of their tangible impact on society. Butthurt ain't.
 
Mandating people be kept alive in the USA is even more troublesome because we sometimes make families go broke (with current healthcare system) or spend their life savings to keep their loved ones alive.
 
Paywalled so I don’t know the details, but choice in dying is a good thing, IMO (assuming cognitive capacity). Leaving people drugged to zombification, in intermittent excruciating pain, and oscillating in and out of delirium isn’t humane, it’s just guilt avoidance.
Canada has had assisted suicide for a while now and it seems to work as intended. There are still legal battles about relatives getting involved to say the patient is of not sound mind and can't make the call etc. but for the most part it works and is humane.
 
My hope is that NC will pass a "death with dignity" law.

I'm not counting on it, but Vermont will be an option for me, and the good news is the state residency requirement has been eliminated.

If and when that time comes, I plan to have a brief family vacation in Vermont before I return to my previous state of non-existence.
 
My hope is that NC will pass a "death with dignity" law.

I'm not counting on it, but Vermont will be an option for me, and the good news is the state residency requirement has been eliminated.

If and when that time comes, I plan to have a brief family vacation in Vermont before I return to my previous state of non-existence.
Good luck.

A friend's mother was at Forests at Duke some years ago. A woman there said she didn't want to live past 70. She was a member of the Hemlock Society. Sure enough, on her 70th she swallowed some pills and poof, goodbye world.
 
What many don't even realize is that when we give palliative care patients morphine (or other opioid) around the clock to "make them comfortable", it's essentially euthanasia in most cases. The drug builds up in their system and hastens the shutdown - their consciousness wanes, their breathing slows, they die. It's basically a legal opioid overdose, they just make you wait til the absolute bitter end.
 
What many don't even realize is that when we give palliative care patients morphine (or other opioid) around the clock to "make them comfortable", it's essentially euthanasia in most cases. The drug builds up in their system and hastens the shutdown - their consciousness wanes, their breathing slows, they die. It's basically a legal opioid overdose, they just make you wait til the absolute bitter end.
That's how my dad returned to his previous state of non-existence.

He had a wonderful MD who placed him on a morphine drip and advised him to pump it only every 30 minutes, but she told him he had control over the frequency. My dad pumped it like there was no tomorrow ( and there was no tomorrow).

I sent his MD a detailed thank you note for having the humanity to help him end his suffering.
 
What many don't even realize is that when we give palliative care patients morphine (or other opioid) around the clock to "make them comfortable", it's essentially euthanasia in most cases. The drug builds up in their system and hastens the shutdown - their consciousness wanes, their breathing slows, they die. It's basically a legal opioid overdose, they just make you wait til the absolute bitter end.
I've heard that but wasn't sure if it was mostly apocryphal and/or something to talk about.
 
This was in the ‘90’s.

My grandfather was highly accomplished and completely in charge of his mental and physical facilities; at the same time, Grandad knew he was not just in his early 80’s; he was OLD (he’d had a freak medical event at 75 that had nothing to do with age; but, it aged him many years; he had a staph infection abscess in his 5th and 6th cervical vertebrae, pinching off his spinal cord and paralyzing him from the neck down. Major neck surgery, months of hospitalization, and huge amounts of occupational and physical therapy and he walked out of North Carolina Memorial Hospital six months later).

Grandad and I backpacked together through his 70th year. These weren’t day hikes…….these were many miles per day carrying our tent, food, cooking equipment, sleeping bags, etc. in New York’s High Peaks. Point being, Grandad was an active, healthy guy.

When he was 83, he woke up….paralyzed from the neck down. After an hour or two, most things were working again. He got up to pee and grab a bite to eat. He took a nap. He woke up….surprised that “EVERYTHING WORKED, EVERYTHING!” Emphasis on EVERYTHING.

The next time he woke up, paralyzed. Again, that went away. Woke up again, EVERYTHING worked. This went on for a day or so.

Grandad had been charting his “progress” for years - which was really his decline.

This erratic behavior was not good in his mind. He knew he was 83 and old. He knew improvement was unlikely.

He wasn’t willing to wake up paralyzed and unable to speak and live that way for weeks or months or years.

So, he called my Dad, his eldest child, and who also lived in Chapel Hill. Both Ph.D scientists and accomplished, logical people.

Grandad told Dad what he planned to do. Cease eating food and consuming fluids…..that he would be able to control his life that way.

Dad (and Mom) supported Grandad’s decision. Most of the family supported the decision.

I was climbing in Colorado and flew in soon enough to have a good conversation with my Grandad.

That not eating and not drinking was the self-euthanizia option to my Grandad in 1995 is sad.

Grandad ceased eating and consuming fluids Sunday…..he died 7 days later. It was not a painless, easy way to die.

My mother has Alzheimer’s and macular degeneration, not much bladder control…..maybe none. She’s not far into Alzheimer’s…..but, it’s there.

She’d commit suicide tonight if she could. She’s vocalized that for over a year. She doesn’t have Grandad’s ability to cease eating and drinking; the Alzheimer’s is sufficient enough that she couldn’t stop eating and drinking…..she couldn’t do X for 24-48 hours.

She’s 85 and has led an excellent life. She’ll die in the horrible circumstances of Alzheimer’s.
 
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What many don't even realize is that when we give palliative care patients morphine (or other opioid) around the clock to "make them comfortable", it's essentially euthanasia in most cases. The drug builds up in their system and hastens the shutdown - their consciousness wanes, their breathing slows, they die. It's basically a legal opioid overdose, they just make you wait til the absolute bitter end.
That's what hospice basically did for my mom, she probably could have lasted in pain for several more days. The drip eased the pain and hastened the end. Added hospice to my end of year donations ever since.
 
My grandmother lived to 102 years-old. She was healthy to about 101.

I went down when she was 101…..took her to lunch……asked her about supper….her response, “I have a talk on my calendar that I’ve wanted to attend for weeks.”

My reply, “Let’s get an early supper and go to the talk.”

That worked.

The talk was great - pre-European “pottery” in North America.

Then, I watched Grandmother pass all the octogenarians and septuagenarians on her way back to her apartment. She never was one for moving slowly.

A few months later, I was visiting and she said, “I’m ready to go.” Fortunately, she did within 6-12 months. She should have been able to die that day. She was healthy and in full mental capacity and in pain - she was 101 or 102 no disease other than being old.

In America, she had to live despite her wishes.

She was a chemist. She’d run the pathology lab at the University of Florida Medical School for decades. She knew what was coming at her age.
 
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The one scandal of King George V’s reign would not be revealed publicly until 1986, in the diary of his physician, Lord Bertrand Dawson. Dawson had written about the night of January 20: “I therefore decided to determine the end and injected (myself) morphia gr. 3/4 and shortly afterwards cocaine gr. 1 into the [king’s] distended jugular vein.” The injection resulted in the king’s death, an act alternately referred to as “euthanasia,” medically assisted suicide, or murder. According to Dawson’s journal, he intended to both grant the king a painless death and to guarantee that his passing would be announced in the morning papers rather than the “less appropriate evening journals.”
 
What many don't even realize is that when we give palliative care patients morphine (or other opioid) around the clock to "make them comfortable", it's essentially euthanasia in most cases. The drug builds up in their system and hastens the shutdown - their consciousness wanes, their breathing slows, they die. It's basically a legal opioid overdose, they just make you wait til the absolute bitter end.
I came to find this out the hard way.
 
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