California Fires - Politics of Blame & Trump water claims

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So much of our politics (and news) has been indoctrinated or is doing the indoctrination of something being done wrong. The amplification of failure due to...human hubris that can be "simply" solved by changing out the "bad" people with "good" people. Then, suddenly, failure will disappear (for the first time ever in human history).
 
rodoheel said:
CA deals with forest fires in the wild every year. Most of them start in fairly remote areas. What doesn't happen is several major fires in the LA area at once, compounded by 100 mph wind gusts. And in any event, understanding that fires like this are a possibility doesn't mean that it's easy or obvious how to stop or contain them under the current circumstances. Your post tellingly fails to identify what, exactly, could so easily have been done based on the experience with other fires, to prevent these fires from spreading at all. That's like suggesting that because Florida deals with hurricanes every year Florida shouldn't have any people killed or structures damaged by tornadoes. Unless you can point to experts saying there were obvious steps that can be taken to eliminate the possibility and spread of fires like this, then you're just mouthing empty criticisms like Trump is.
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Great response. Spoken like a true liberal. Excuses for everything. Maybe you should run for mayor
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
So much of our politics (and news) has been indoctrinated or is doing the indoctrination of something being done wrong. The amplification of failure due to...human hubris that can be "simply" solved by changing out the "bad" people with "good" people. Then, suddenly, failure will disappear (for the first time ever in human history).
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Yes, absolutely. The conflation of "mistakes" with "incompetence" goes back to W, when conservatives just couldn't deal with the fact that Bush was the buffoon that liberals said he was. So instead of acknowledging they screwed up, they just decided to pretend as if everyone is incompetent, as if invading Iraq and the Benghazi incident were remotely comparable.
 
BoonetheAiredale said:
So much of our politics (and news) has been indoctrinated or is doing the indoctrination of something being done wrong. The amplification of failure due to...human hubris that can be "simply" solved by changing out the "bad" people with "good" people. Then, suddenly, failure will disappear (for the first time ever in human history).
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It’s when the obvious is overlooked or pushed aside that it becomes glaring as in this case.
 
Callatoroy said:
It’s when the obvious is overlooked or pushed aside that it becomes glaring as in this case.
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Well you've set yourself up to hit a home run. What is so obvious about this fire that a nonfirefighter, non-politician, non-resident (I'm assuming you're from the East coast) could have figured this all out within 48 hours of the event. Things must have been really wrong, wrong enough to clarify, easily and precisely what could have been done correctly...given natural, monitary, and human/political constraints.
 
Callatoroy said:
Great response. Spoken like a true liberal. Excuses for everything. Maybe you should run for mayor
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Once again, not even close to a substantive response. Are you going to link something explaining why the current circumstances could have been easily anticipated and dealt with by preventative measures? Or as usual is your source "trust me bro, I'm an expert on everything"?

No one here is saying the authorities did everything right. We are simply saying, wait for this to play out and we have time to fully assess what happened and what could have stopped it. You're the one insisting that you have all the answers already. As usual.
 
rodoheel said:
Typical conservative - instead of citing facts in rebuttal, you just turn to personal insults.
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Whatever, but just like a true dem of accusing pubs of doing exactly what they are doing, you were the first to insult. I just responded to your level of discourse.
 
rodoheel said:
Once again, not even close to a substantive response. Are you going to link something explaining why the current circumstances could have been easily anticipated and dealt with by preventative measures? Or as usual is your source "trust me bro, I'm an expert on everything"?

No one here is saying the authorities did everything right. We are simply saying, wait for this to play out and we have time to fully assess what happened and what could have stopped it. You're the one insisting that you have all the answers already. As usual.
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I haven't insisted at all that I have all the answers. You are full of shit on that. I have listed the most basic common sense things that are again, common sense. Not my fault you can't see that.
 
rodoheel said:
Once again, not even close to a substantive response. Are you going to link something explaining why the current circumstances could have been easily anticipated and dealt with by preventative measures? Or as usual is your source "trust me bro, I'm an expert on everything"?

No one here is saying the authorities did everything right. We are simply saying, wait for this to play out and we have time to fully assess what happened and what could have stopped it. You're the one insisting that you have all the answers already. As usual.
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Well, here is one possible issue:
www.latimes.com

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

A reservoir in the Palisades that holds 117 million gallons of water was offline this month for previously scheduled maintenance.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
 
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Calheel said:
Well, here is one possible issue:
www.latimes.com

State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded

A reservoir in the Palisades that holds 117 million gallons of water was offline this month for previously scheduled maintenance.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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Again, local issue. The State not only had nothing to do with the reservoir being offline, they’re the ones investigating. No matter how the right wing Trumplicans try to swing it. Newsom - at the State level - had nothing to do with any possible shortcomings.

And the conservatives trying to make some political hay once again with a deadly catastrophic event is beyond the pale. They even do this with mass murders using guns. They spin it all in such a way as to try and make us all believe MORE GUNS are needed.

It doesn’t matter the catastrophe, the pubs are willing to make a mockery of the tragedy to score points with their base. The basest of all humanity.
 
Centerpiece said:
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Again, local issue. The State not only had nothing to do with the reservoir being offline, they’re the ones investigating. No matter how the right wing Trumplicans try to swing it. Newsom - at the State level - had nothing to do with any possible shortcomings.

And the conservatives trying to make some political hay once again with a deadly catastrophic event is beyond the pale. They even do this with mass murders using guns. They spin it all in such a way as to try and make us all believe MORE GUNS are needed.

It doesn’t matter the catastrophe, the pubs are willing to make a mockery of the tragedy to score points with their base. The basest of all humanity.
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I don't think MAGA limits its complaints about the California government to the state only, although in fairness I have most of them on ignore so I don't really know what their complaints are.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some element of the state bureaucracy had a role in the timing of the repairs and the availability of other water tanks. For example, the California Coastal Commission has huge powers -- it has a say on almost any land that has runoff into the ocean, which is almost all land around here.
 
Calheel said:
I don't think MAGA limits its complaints about the California government to the state only, although in fairness I have most of them on ignore so I don't really know what their complaints are.

That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some element of the state bureaucracy had a role in the timing of the repairs and the availability of other water tanks. For example, the California Coastal Commission has huge powers -- it has a say on almost any land that has runoff into the ocean, which is almost all land around here.
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I have no idea about all of that. All I know is what I’ve researched online, looking at reliable sources like AP and Reuters.

I do recall an acquaintance from Turkey telling me back in 1990 that the next big war will be over fresh water, not oil. I believed him then. And I have no reason the think otherwise today.
 
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