California Fires - Politics of Blame & Trump water claims

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Centerpiece said:
I have no idea about all of that. All I know is what I’ve researched online, looking at reliable sources like AP and Reuters.

I do recall an acquaintance from Turkey telling me back in 1990 that the next big war will be over fresh water, not oil. I believed him then. And I have no reason the think otherwise today.
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Prior to St. Donald of Mar-a-Lago going "on the record" about making Canada the 51st state, I would have dismissed "fresh water wars" as being nonsense and satirically asked if this meant the US was going to invade Canada. But now that Vlad "the Ras" Putin's personal hand-puppet has been restored to his throne, "fresh water wars" seems like a depressingly likely, even if entirely fictitious, causa bella.
 
I posted this on the "Meanwhile On Fox News" thread, but it's completely applicable here as well.

Failed comedian Gutless Greg Gutfeld and the ever-sophomoric Jesse Watters assert to their viewers that the CA wildfires situation is due to a DEI hire as fire chief - a claim so ridiculous that Jessica Tarlov jumps in to be the voice of reason:

 
ZenMode said:
Probably nothing. I think he was just making the point that "we", as a country, will spend billions to house non-Americans in expensive NY hotels, while kicking Americans out of hotels.
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How much was spent to bus them to NY?
 
korgguy1971 said:
I posted this on the "Meanwhile On Fox News" thread, but it's completely applicable here as well.

Failed comedian Gutless Greg Gutfeld and the ever-sophomoric Jesse Watters assert to their viewers that the CA wildfires situation is due to a DEI hire as fire chief - a claim so ridiculous that Jessica Tarlov jumps in to be the voice of reason:

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His laughing at the end says it all. This is all a game to the right wingers, especially the Fox “news” hosts. Our country is rotting, and yahoos like this turd and Watters can’t get enough of it. Fuck those guys.
 
Not trying to trivialize or diminish anyone's loss, but it seems J. J. Redick's rental home in Los Angelos burned down. I didn't even know he was the head coach of the Lakers. I put this in the fire politics thread rather than the fire news thread not because it is inherently political, but just on the chance that some on this board may not have consistantly fond memories of his time at Duke.
Link: Watch: Lakers head coach J.J. Redick emotionally recounts losing his Pacific Palisades home in wildfires
 
korgguy1971 said:
I posted this on the "Meanwhile On Fox News" thread, but it's completely applicable here as well.

Failed comedian Gutless Greg Gutfeld and the ever-sophomoric Jesse Watters assert to their viewers that the CA wildfires situation is due to a DEI hire as fire chief - a claim so ridiculous that Jessica Tarlov jumps in to be the voice of reason:

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"DEI" and "woke" is the race-card for fragile, insecure, mediocre white men.
 
ZenMode said:
I honestly have no idea what it cost. I can safely say that it was significantly less than putting them up in New York hotel rooms for any amount of time.
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Which came first, the bus ride or the hotel stay?

My understanding is they were not being housed in hotels until the bus loads arrived.

I believe the hotels are reactionary, not normal policy.
 
korgguy1971 said:
I posted this on the "Meanwhile On Fox News" thread, but it's completely applicable here as well.

Failed comedian Gutless Greg Gutfeld and the ever-sophomoric Jesse Watters assert to their viewers that the CA wildfires situation is due to a DEI hire as fire chief - a claim so ridiculous that Jessica Tarlov jumps in to be the voice of reason:

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While a lot of the rage against DEI is bullshit, the LAFD Assistant Chief made a head-scratching comment when pressed if the best people were being hired for the job:

“Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

Big oof.

 
ZZLPHeels said:
While a lot of the rage against DEI is bullshit, the LAFD Assistant Chief made a head-scratching comment when pressed if the best people were being hired for the job:

“Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place if I have to carry him out of a fire.”

Big oof.

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How was that video an example of being "pressed"?

The response was perfectly valid. It is not actually the fire fighter's job to carry a person out of a fire. But if a person is trapped, the fire fighters will attempt a rescue. Not every fire fighter has to be part of the "rescue" team. Some of them can be part of the "putting out the fire" team.

Again, the sympathy from you guys is always for the hypothetical person who might in some theoretical situation be screwed, and never for the actual people who get frequently harassed, stalked, attacked, insulted or blamed just because they are who they are and are trying to contribute to the community. I can understand that response 100%. STOP. BLAMING. BLACK. PEOPLE. AND. WOMEN. FOR. YOUR. PROBLEMS. And in a world in which those people do get harassed, I don't think it's wrong to push back a little bit.

The reality is that LAFD personnel are better at their jobs than any of the dickheads here are at theirs. I am extremely confident that your performance at your job whatever it is you do would not meet LAFD standards.
 
superrific said:
The response was perfectly valid. It is not actually the fire fighter's job to carry a person out of a fire.
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I stopped reading after this nonsense. It is 100% the firefighter’s job to carry a person out of a fire if they find one. Full stop, no exceptions. You have no idea what you are talking about. That comment by the LAFD Chief is disgusting to those in the profession.

ETA: The ironic thing is that this should have literally nothing to do with gender or sexual orientation. I know quite a few female firefighters who are in excellent shape, are excellent at their job and who outwork many of the men. They are pissed at this comment too. A better comment from this person would have been, “We have high standards at the LAFD and anyone who gets hired and makes it through the challenging academy and probationary period has proven that they are up to those standards. I have no doubt that they can perform any task asked of them.” Instead, she pivoted to a weird victim blaming that implied that people in house fires don’t deserve to be saved for some reason.
 
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ZZLPHeels said:
I stopped reading after this nonsense. It is 100% the firefighter’s job to carry a person out of a fire if they find one. Full stop, no exceptions. You have no idea what you are talking about. That comment by the LAFD Chief is disgusting to those in the profession.
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Is everyone in the army responsible for shooting bullets at the other army?

Fire departments have specialization. Not everyone does the running into buildings part of the job. Don't be dense.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
I stopped reading after this nonsense. It is 100% the firefighter’s job to carry a person out of a fire if they find one. Full stop, no exceptions. You have no idea what you are talking about. That comment by the LAFD Chief is disgusting to those in the profession.

ETA: The ironic thing is that this should have literally nothing to do with gender or sexual orientation. I know quite a few female firefighters who are in excellent shape, are excellent at their job and who outwork many of the men. They are pissed at this comment too. A better comment from this person would have been, “We have high standards at the LAFD and anyone who gets hired and makes it through the challenging academy and probationary period has proven that they are up to those standards. I have no doubt that they can perform any task asked of them.” Instead, she pivoted to a weird victim blaming that implied that people in house fires don’t deserve to be saved for some reason.
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You don't know quite a few female firefighters. Do you think we're fucking stupid?

It is not 100% the firefighter's job to carry a person out of the fire. YOU don't know what you're talking about. It's like a football game. It is actually not always an offensive player's job to block a defender in his path, because the play calls for that offensive player to be in a certain place. The same is true for firefighting. There is a plan. They don't just run in with firehoses and spray everything down (hint: that causes lots of smoke). From what I understand, and this is based on some reading about NYC firefighting many years ago, some fire fighters are "scouts." Their job is to get in and around quickly to find out how many people there are and what needs to be done. Then the other firefighters move in. That might be changing with better surveillance equipment, but it was how NYC fire department would approach big fires.
 
superrific said:
You don't know quite a few female firefighters. Do you think we're fucking stupid?

It is not 100% the firefighter's job to carry a person out of the fire. YOU don't know what you're talking about. It's like a football game. It is actually not always an offensive player's job to block a defender in his path, because the play calls for that offensive player to be in a certain place. The same is true for firefighting. There is a plan. They don't just run in with firehoses and spray everything down (hint: that causes lots of smoke). From what I understand, and this is based on some reading about NYC firefighting many years ago, some fire fighters are "scouts." Their job is to get in and around quickly to find out how many people there are and what needs to be done. Then the other firefighters move in. That might be changing with better surveillance equipment, but it was how NYC fire department would approach big fires.
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You know I have been a full-time, career firefighter for well over a decade right? You are wrong about everything you just posted. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Literally nothing you stated is accurate.

Your role on the fireground is largely determined by your order of arrival. The first two actions that need to take place are typically fire attack (suppression) and search. If you are on Engine 2, and you are assigned primary search, you can't tell the IC "well actually sir, we have a special hire today who doesn't feel comfortable searching so we're just going to chill outside on this one." Absofuckinglutely not. In no universe.

Also, spraying water doesn't cause smoke. The fire causes smoke. Water causes steam. Steam aids in extinguishment. Extinguishment means the fire is going out. Sometimes steam can burn people inside, but we account for that by our stream pattern (straight stream or smoothbore nozzles don't generate as much steam as a wide pattern on a fog nozzle). And yes, most of the time we literally do run straight in the front door with a hose and punch that fire straight in the teeth. While we are doing that, other crews are searching the building for victims. And if they find a victim, they are pulling that victim out.
 
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Calheel said:
Is everyone in the army responsible for shooting bullets at the other army?

Fire departments have specialization. Not everyone does the running into buildings part of the job. Don't be dense.
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Read my reply to super. Every firefighter should be capable of removing a victim from a burning building. That's part of the job. There are admin roles, sure. But there are not special fire engines that people who are not physically capable of being firefighters are specially assigned to unless you are in volunteerland in BFE.

If you are operating in a structure fire as a firefighter you need to be able to do your job. What the LAFD Chief said was wrong and was disgusting to every single firefighter I know.
 
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