Charlie Kirk as a martyr

The right way to talk about Kirk, in my view, is this:

He lived the life he wanted and had the death he wanted. He was killed because of our awesome Second Amendment, which is worth way more than a few thousand lives every year. He said so himself. He wouldn't want us to grieve for him or his family, because empathy is a toxic emotion invented by the left. He had plenty of money for security, and indeed had six private security guards with him.

Why would the right be outraged by this? He lived his dream.
 
For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.

I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.

Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
 
TamatoSoup said:
Never knew how many of my FB friends are eaten up with rightwing politics. Especially the women... lots of women are outraged... WTF. Bizzarro world.
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Yeah the women, especially young women, coming out of the woodwork is surprising to me. Kirk was very much anti women’s rights and spoke openly about it all the time. Recently he said if his daughter was raped that she would still have to have the baby and also said that Taylor swift should submit to her new husband.

Kirk stands for white men and white men only so to see so many young women coming out as supporters is bizarre to me
 
superrific said:
The right way to talk about Kirk, in my view, is this:

He lived the life he wanted and had the death he wanted. He was killed because of our awesome Second Amendment, which is worth way more than a few thousand lives every year. He said so himself. He wouldn't want us to grieve for him or his family, because empathy is a toxic emotion invented by the left. He had plenty of money for security, and indeed had six private security guards with him.

Why would the right be outraged by this? He lived his dream.
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He certainly died doing what he loved. I say that without any snark or sarcasm intended. I hate it the absolute most for his young children, but unfortunately inflammatory rhetoric does have consequences. Of course, that certainly does not mean that he deserved to die for his inflammatory rhetoric. Nobody deserves to die. But his inflammatory rhetoric clearly made him a target, and unfortunately he ran afoul of someone depraved enough, resourced enough, and skilled enough to pull off such a heinous execution.
 
Ramrouser said:
For many young folks on the Right, 9/10 will be their 9/11.

I think many of you here (understandably since Kirk wasn't in your social media feed) grossly underestimate the power, influence and reach of Charlie Kirk. He mobilized the youth on college campuses and on social media and I would argue, played a huge role in Trump winning the under 30 vote (particularly among young men). Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner. Kirk also played a role in the return of young men to church which has been quantified. There was/is no one equivalent on the Left.

Kirk will be hard/impossible to replace.
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This is so absurdly outlandish of a belief to hold that I sincerely hope you are doing it just to get a rise out of people. Because there is zero chance a healthy, normally functioning adult human being possesses the ability to think, much less articulate, something so insane.

Comparing the single murder of a podcaster to the murder of 3000+ Americans in a single day at the hands of radical Islamic terrorists, might be the single most batshit crazy thing I’ve ever read on any medium in my entire life.
 
rodoheel said:
"Pretty clear" seems presumptuous with us not knowing yet who the shooter was or what motivated them. I would say that it seems likely Kirk was killed because of his political beliefs, though of course we don't yet know which beliefs or what the motivation for killing him was. Kirk wasn't just an enemy of the left; among other conflicts on the right he spent years beefing with Nick Fuentes and his pack of incel weirdos for not being extreme enough.
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In either of your examples, wouldn't he still fit the definition of a martyr? In other words, let's say that it was a Nick Fuentes supporter who killed him because he didn't hate Jews enough. That would still be a martyr, right?
 
theel4life said:
The Right is making Charlie Kirk into a martyr. On my way to work this morning I saw 3 different businesses with their flags at half mast. Since I have been at work I have had 2 people tell me to my face you guys did this and you picked the wrong man to kill. This is getting scary.
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Look at it this way, if those businesses are flying their flags at half mast for Charlie Kirk, it makes it really easy to know where you don't want to spend your hard-earned money.
 
What on earth is the right wing going to do if it turns out that the shooter was motivated not by leftist ideology but rather by an even more extreme far right ideology than the one Kirk espoused? Obviously, either way, it’s horrific and abhorrent. I just mean that the entire right wing media ecosystem has already gone all in on declaring war on the entire liberal apparatus in this country, what is going to happen if it turns out that the shooter doesn’t have the ideological motivations that they’ve already decided he has without him even having been caught yet?
 
CFordUNC said:
What on earth is the right wing going to do if it turns out that the shooter was motivated not by leftist ideology but rather by an even more extreme far right ideology than the one Kirk espoused?
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uhh nothing. The same thing they always do, double down on their bullshit gaslighting and hate filled rhetoric. There is zero capacity for self reflection in that space
 
nycfan said:
Trump literally called him a martyr during his remarks yesterday…

Trump calls conservative activist Charlie Kirk a ‘martyr for truth and freedom’​


thehill.com

Trump calls conservative activist Charlie Kirk a ‘martyr for truth and freedom’

President Trump on Wednesday night said that he was “filled with grief and anger” at the fatal shooting of conservative activist Charlie Kirk at a Utah college campus, and called K…
thehill.com

“President Trump on Wednesday night … called Kirk a “martyr for truth and freedom.” …”
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I guess he joins Ashli Babbitt and Baby Jesus in the MAGA martyr Hall of Fame.
 
Ramrouser said:
Kirk wasn't a right wing provocateur; instead, he was famous for showing up on campuses with a smile and politely engaging with liberals in a friendly manner.
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There we go. Sure, he was saying that trans people have no right to exist, that they are mentally ill people who are the cause of America's gun violence, but he was saying it with a smile! It was polite!

Kirk's entire existence was grotesque. There is no "polite engagement" when you are saying or implying that your interlocutors are subhuman. He was a vicious horrible man, smile or no smile. Watch Django Unchained. You might notice how polite and cheery Calvin Candy was. Who would have any beef with him?
 
CFordUNC said:
What on earth is the right wing going to do if it turns out that the shooter was motivated not by leftist ideology but rather by an even more extreme far right ideology than the one Kirk espoused? Obviously, either way, it’s horrific and abhorrent. I just mean that the entire right wing media ecosystem has already gone all in on declaring war on the entire liberal apparatus in this country, what is going to happen if it turns out that the shooter doesn’t have the ideological motivations that they’ve already decided he has without him even having been caught yet?
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The same thing they always do... lie.
 
uncjhodges said:
crazy, i hadn’t even read his take that this will be worst than 9/11 for christian nationalists
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Yeah, I was about to say, I figured you had not made it to that doozy yet hahaha. I’m still trying to recover from having read it.
 
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