Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

p5mmr9 said:
I have so little interest in this back and forth. I don't even care about Kirk's politics at this point. What happened is fucking terrible - full stop. Whether he was killed by someone on the Left or the Right or because Kirk was a celebrity of some renown and he was killed by a stalker is kind of irrelevant. I feel like we on the Left could sit the "who is worse" fight out this time. There really are no political points to score here.
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I understand the sentiment but think you are missing the point in this specific instance. Did you read the tweets - all from major MAGA movement influencers with large followings - in the post I was quoting? Those posts are not about the killing of Kirk or Kirk's politics. They are about calling for action in response to Kirk's murder. They include these quotes:

"The Democrat Party is a domestic terror organization" and "When Democrats lose elections they couldn't steal, they murder the people they were unable to defeat" - those both from Sean Davis, the CEO and founder of the Federalist.

"If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is fight or die" - from Elon Musk

"The Democrat Party must be classified as a domestic terror organization."

"The left is a national security threat" - from Laura Loomer.

Repeated calls for war, civil war, and prosecuting leftists organizations under RICO.

There is one guy who actually advocates for using the Charlie Kirk shooting as the "American Reichstag Fire." As in, not warning that it could be like the Reichstag Fire, but in advocating that Trump do what Hitler did after the Reichstag Fire. That post has 31,000 likes on Twitter.

This is not the debate about "whose political rhetoric has been more heated over the last _________ years." I'm fine with giving that a rest. This is about MAGA and its leaders immediately seizing on Kirk's death to advocate for a violent crackdown on the political opposition. To advocate for the elimination of free speech and other civil liberties. Respectfully, I am not going to shut up about that. There is only one side of the political aisle that attempts to weaponize these sorts of things to advocate for authoritarianism. And when other posters come on here and claim this is a "both sides" issue, that works to the advantage of the people who would seek to use this tragedy as a pretext for something much darker and much more terrible than the murder of a single person.
 
nycfan said:
Later videos suggest Kirk was hit in the chest but the bullet ricocheted off his bulletproof vest and hit his neck. Which still seems to suggest a relative novice — seems like a professional sniper would have recognized the contours (and likelihood) of a bulletproof vest.
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If that is accurate, it really underscores how this was a/n (un)lucky shot by the shooter, as one would expect a shot that hit a bulletproof vest to be stopped by the vest and not somehow ricochet to one of the most sensitive/important parts of the body.
 
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UNCatTech said:
Haven't read everything, so maybe I missed this.

Why is it relevant if he was a "Novice". From my experience shooting from distance with any level of accuracy, isn't something a "novice" would be capable of, but more importantly, who cares? A man is dead, does the skill level of the shooter really matter?
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It was first raised in the context that the shooter didn’t need highly specialized firearms training (such as military or law enforcement) to be able to make that shot, which is a valid point in discussing the parameters of who might be a potential shooter in this case.
 
This is totally unrelated to what happened but it’s relevant because people are sharing his videos a ton. In the videos of him walking around South Korea on vacation recently and he’s talking about how great it is because there is no violent crime, there aren’t a ton of homeless people around, it’s clean, etc.

It’s crazy that it’s right in front of his face and he won’t allow himself to see it. They’ve got strict gun laws so yeah, no violent crime. They’ve got social programs like universal healthcare to take care of their people.

At the same time he feels the need to wear bullet proof vests at his events here because guns are everywhere yet he still argues that guns should be everywhere.

It would have been interesting to ask him after visiting South Korea if he thinks allowing freedom to own firearms would be a positive or negative on that country after gushing about how great its current state is
 
Mundial said:
So the thought now is that the shot was around 200 yards, which some are saying is not a hard shot to make. However, this person took that shot once, killed Kirk with law enforcement and people all around them, apparently packed up and/or disassembled their rifle, including possibly the spent cartridge, egressed from the top of the building without being seen by eyewitnesses, apparently made it to transportation and left the scene while somehow rendering all of the camera footage, personal cellphone footage and license plate readers that LEO relies on these days ineffective (so far).

This appears to have been fairly methodically planned. It doesn't appear to be a random person with minimal firearms training who bough an AR and decided to do this on a whim. This person appears to have been experienced.
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It’s been less than 24 hours, let’s not assume the shooter was some kind of super-operative just yet.
 
dukeman92 said:
Sorry. This is the first time I've seen you quote my post.

This is what I was getting at. Folks in the media seem to be gravitating towards asking this as well.

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That is the first time on this thread that I’ve quoted your post (the “x 4” is the number of times I’ve given a similar reaction to everyone in this thread).

If we get months into this and the shooter can’t be identified, then perhaps this line of thought might be valid, but as of right now, it’s probably a little too early to think that cuts at the FBI prevented the agency from identifying the shooter (in less than 24 hours) after the shooter managed to escape the scene.
 
Ramrouser said:
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
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As opposed to people like Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, the Libs of TikTok lady, etc. who grift off conservatives’ fear of people unlike themselves, overall mental instability, and general ignorance of reality.
 
11:52 am subject arrived on campus
went through the building up the stairways to the roof
after the shooting went to another part of the building, jumped off the roof, walked off campus into a neighborhood.
they have good video footage of the shooter via doorbell and security cams. they are not releasing the image now
they are confident in their abilities to identify and track the shooter
 
altmin said:
press conference on now:

the two people arrested and let go are now being threatened
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This is why I don't understand why the released the names of the people they questioned. I just can't believe that's standard law enforcement practice. and in this particular circumstance they should have known it could put those people in danger.
 
SnoopRob said:
It was first raised in the context that the shooter didn’t need highly specialized firearms training (such as military or law enforcement) to be able to make that shot, which is a valid point in discussing the parameters of who might be a potential shooter in this case.
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Ok.

On this point I disagree with what I'm reading. How many here think they could hit a human target from 700+ ft in a controlled environment such as a range?

The imagine the other variables associated.

Maybe it helps to figure out who might have done it, I'm not sure, but it is interesting how many think this was an easy shot all variables considered.
 
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