Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

superrific said:
I grow weary of the hand-wringing on the left. Everyone who claims to be nauseated about Kirk's death -- are you serious? He's a dead terrorist. He was one of the people most responsible for GOP's embrace of hate politics. For him to be killed by hate politics -- if that's what happened -- just means he lived to see the fruit of his labors. It's true that political violence is terrible. But Kirk was an advocate for political violence. He was a net negative for society. He was a man of limited ability who managed to climb to preposterous heights simply by peddling hate, fear, and violence with little sophistication, giving it to his fans raw and unadulterated.

Stop saying, I hate it that he was killed. He was killed by his own hand. I don't care.
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ouch

I endorse the immortal words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall :

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Once we condone the murder of people who embrace hate politics, then we are lost in a wasteland.
 
Ramrouser said:
Ezra (who's Jewish) conveniently "forgot" to list:

The two Jewish individuals killed outside the Israeli embassy in DC - killed by the "free, free Palestine" guy;

The flame throwing guy who attacked the elderly Jewish protestors in Colorado who were asking that the hostages be released; and

The numerous Tesla terrorists who firebombed Tesla dealerships.
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Tesla "terrorists" vs murderers? GTFO.
 
Ramrouser said:
Ezra (who's Jewish) conveniently "forgot" to list:

The two Jewish individuals killed outside the Israeli embassy in DC - killed by the "free, free Palestine" guy;

The flame throwing guy who attacked the elderly Jewish protestors in Colorado who were asking that the hostages be released; and

The numerous Tesla terrorists who firebombed Tesla dealerships.
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The numerous immigrants who have either died in ICE custody, were killed during their "apprehension" or that have died in an El Salvadoran prison without a trial or hearing.
 
heelinhell said:
ouch

I endorse the immortal words of Evelyn Beatrice Hall :

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Once we condone the murder of people who embrace hate politics, then we are lost in a wasteland.
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I'm not saying we should condone it. Arrest the person who shot him and throw the book at him. But we don't have to act as if it's a terrible thing that a terrible man was killed by his own terrible ideology.
 
What I find interesting (and not unexpected) about the coverage of this incident is that articles do not mention why he was such a controversial figure

The same outlets never miss to slip in a couple of irrelevant character flaws when describing victims who are deemed unworthy of respect
 
Tar1978Heel said:
And yet democrat politicians that demand gun control walk around with a armed detail all the time…
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Well yeah because guns are everywhere in this country. Just because I’m pro gun control doesn’t mean that I live in a bubble where there are no guns.

I was simply pointing out the irony of someone who speaks out in support of zero gun restrictions feeling the need to wear a vest because guns are everywhere. He doesn’t feel safe in public because we allow anyone who wants a gun the ability to have one yet he still argued for that
 
Tar1978Heel said:
And yet democrat politicians that demand gun control walk around with a armed detail all the time…
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democrat politicians are attempting to protect themselves from something that they know is a problem and must be reformed.

charlie kirk was for some odd reason attempting to protect himself from something that he thought wasn't a problem and was actually great.

surely you understand the difference?

probably not, lmao.
 
CeruleanBlueHeel said:
I had heard of this guy only recently from podcast references. This morning I'm viewing reels of stuff he has said, his strongly professed beliefs, his slanted version of history, et al. Good fucking riddance to you Charlie.
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Me as well, only somewhat knew of him. This type took off with the advent of the internet and social media. That's because, all they have to do is find a niche, to be successful. And to do that, they often specialize in spin, misinformation, and outright lies. I suppose everyone is selling something, so they found their niche in this space.

But the sad thing on this guy, is that he specialized in the young college crowd. Wow, you would think they would be sophisticated enough to see thru it. It seems, many of them are not.

I honestly think the next leader of the Democratic party should challenge Americans everyday to look at the lies these folks promote. Perhaps put a website up where people can comment on every lie they catch from these people. With proof, of course. I wouldn't think the other side could counter with much.
 
ZenMode said:
Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'​


Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons

www.foxnews.com

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker condemned the assassination of Charlie Kirk while criticizing President Donald Trump's rhetoric for "fomenting" political violence.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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JB Pritzker is 100% spot on.
 
SnoopRob said:
What did anyone expect? The fucking idiot is going to act like a fucking idiot no matter where he’s at.
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When Democrats went overboard turning the funeral of Senator Paul Wellstone into something of a political rally, then Governor Jesse Ventura walked out in disgust and it turned a lot of middle-of-the-road folks against the party going into that election.

Trump using any speaking event, even the usually hyper-solemn 9/11 memorials, for political rhetoric generally was a given. It is who he is and he seems to have lost what filter he once had. Trump and Hegseth using 9/11 memorials to advance political martyrdom of Kirk was probably unstoppable given the timing — it is one thing to praise a friend and ask for silent prayer for his family, it would be another to try to make the 9/11 memorials about partisan politics. If they do the latter, it might excite the Libs of TikTok but could be very counterproductive with a lot of more moderate and not very politically engaged Americans (let’s face it, politically focused liberals are going to be appalled by anything political that Trump and Hegseth do at this point, particularly in this kind of setting).

I guess it will be a bit of a political Rorschach test in some respects and a measure of how normalized Trump’s crass political behavior has become.
 
CFordUNC said:
Considering anyone can walk into virtually any building on any public university or college campus during regular business hours, no, it’s highly unlikely he had or needed any help accessing the rooftop.
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I don’t know what the layout of this building is but I’ve done a lot of work at N.C. State and a little at UNC. Contractors have to check out keys and the roof key was a step above, we used to have to sign something about proper safety techniques I think (it’s been 10 -15 years since I checked them out). My point is roof access is usually restricted for safety etc.
Gunman could have picked a lot, forced access somehow or had inside access to keys but the roof is usually restricted in some way.
 
HandsonFire said:
I don’t know what the layout of this building is but I’ve done a lot of work at N.C. State and a little at UNC. Contractors have to check out keys and the roof key was a step above, we used to have to sign something about proper safety techniques I think (it’s been 10 -15 years since I checked them out). My point is roof access is usually restricted for safety etc.
Gunman could have picked a lot, forced access somehow or had inside access to keys but the roof is usually restricted in some way.
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Great insight. Really interesting. Thank you for sharing it.
 
ZenMode said:
Never miss an opportunity to blame Trump for something...

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'​


Illinois Gov JB Pritzker argued Trump 'often foments' political violence through his rhetoric and Jan 6 pardons

www.foxnews.com

JB Pritzker condemns political violence after Charlie Kirk's death, says Trump's rhetoric 'often foments it'

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker condemned the assassination of Charlie Kirk while criticizing President Donald Trump's rhetoric for "fomenting" political violence.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Well, Kirk blamed the political rhetoric of Trump's opponents for Melissa Hortman getting shot, so I guess things have just come full circle.
 
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