Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Callatoroy said:


Not a CK expert but apparently not all of his views were abhorrent.
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Most terrible people aren’t terrible every second…most effective ones are horrible most of the time.
Callatoroy said:
I would think a racist, if truly a racist would have nothing but abhorrent views as it relates to race. Could you envision david duke speaking with that woman in such a manner.
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Dahmer didn’t eat everybody.
 
sringwal said:
I know that this is hard for you to understand, but Wayne is saying that we don’t know enough, yet, to say one way or the other. There is still too much conflicting information. One way or another, though, the truth will come out in the coming days.
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Great. Agree. So that’s why I’m not taking the L as demanded by CFord.
 
Ramrouser said:
Never listened to one word of Fuentes. Loomer is out there.
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Loomer is a CLOSE Trump ally over the years and often finds herself in the White House on Trump's personal invite. Fuentes is less connected to Trump though he did have a dinner with Trump and Kanye West at Mar A Lago.

The single most frightening thing about Trump for me has always been how much power he cedes to truly insane people.
 
Ramrouser said:
Great. Agree. So that’s why I’m not taking the L as demanded by CFord.
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Seriously dude W/L is what’s motivating you?!?
What about your country? How do we reconcile while you are determined to get the “W”?
Ram truthfully I enjoy your perspective as it’s almost George Carlineque.
 
Rock said:
It No way in hell that I’m going to watch his wife’s speech but I will be interested to read how she frames things. Apparently it’s happening any minute on turning points YouTube channel.
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Why not? Would you watch Michelle Obama speak if Obama was assassinated? This woman lost her 31 year old husband with two small children who are asking “where’s Dad.”
 
Callatoroy said:
Looks like the parents weren't vey involved in preventing his radicalization and my comment isn't to pass judgement on them but to say I can't imagine the anguish of finding out your son was the shooter and then having to turn him in knowing he will likely be facing the death penalty. Maybe the parents think his only hope of avoiding the death penalty is if he turns himself in.
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MAGA parents fail their kids. Look at this example.
 
CFordUNC said:


"Charlie dedicated a decade of his life to fueling causes that benefit Donald Trump, activating the youth and converting them, being a soldier for the right, so on, so forth. Now in his death, after the shooter was identified and not somebody that can be politicized by his party, Donald Trump devoted half of a second to Charlie Kirk before plugging his new White House ballroom."
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No surprise. Trump cares about himself and no one else, except maybe his weird obsession with his own daughter Ivanka. People are just tools or useful but expendable gofers for him, and Kirk was just such a person. Mentally he's already moved on from Kirk to whatever rambling, incoherent, and utterly self-centered thoughts are crossing his addled brain at the time.
 
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