Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

nycfan said:
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Trump "hopes" he gets the death penalty ? Why doesn't he just issue an executive order to have him executed ?

It would save us a lot of time going through a trial and if found guilty having to tolerate spending years of appeals before he is put on death row delaying the country opportunity to get its pound of flesh... and even after 10 years before execution day by the state, there is always the chance there will be a woke governor who will commute his sentence to a life sentence.

If he is half the man I think he is ( and I do think he is half a man ), he will issue the execution and tell the nation he will be a one macho man firing squad and use the big beautiful second amendment protected AK-47 to get the job done.
 
Callatoroy said:
I agree over the last 2 days. In fact, it has affected me to the point that I had to ask myself what the fuck am I doing getting caught up in it. I have been disgusted with most politicians on the right who have made public comments. I told my son today that if by some chance Nancy Mace is the pub nominee for governor I will have to vote for the D candidate. But I completely disagree with you that it has been that way for a while. There has been plenty to go around from the left



Biden - "We're done talking about the debate. It's time to put Trump in a bullseye"

Pelosi, Harris, Biden, Schumer - "Trump is a threat to democracy"

"Today’s political and rhetorical landscape is intensely polarized and fueled by anger, distrust and conspiracy theories. It’s easier to target your political opponents for violence if you see them as “enemies of the nation,” Boyle said." So calling republicans nazis, fascists, etc. is doing just that. How long has the left been using those terms? Since trump 1.0.

My point isn't in keeping score. Its that these past 2 days have been a wake up call for me in that the republican party and democratic party, with the assistance of social media influencers and bots have been taken over by the propensity to use violent rhetoric and the only way to stop it is by a collective effort from the everyday man/woman to reject it in social media and hold politicians accountable. I'm not hopeful.
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You listen to Trump non stop and you just realized violence is his theme?

Yeah I'm calling you obtuse, Warden
 
CharmCityTiger said:
IMO this is the most underdiscussed threat to the future of society. We're talking about significant proportions of Gen Z and Gen A who have no ability to function in society and whose social existence is exclusively online.
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This reminded me of an article about a podcast I read recently (I can’t find it not behind a paywall)

For years, experts and parents alike have debated how to get children off their devices. Limiting screen time, blocking apps and setting stricter household rules are common strategies. But what if the problem isn’t the technology itself but the loss of freedom to simply be a kid?

Hosts Richard Kyte and Scott Rada look at a revealing report from The Atlantic that asked children directly how they would spend less time online. The most common response was not more rules or stricter discipline — it was more unstructured play with friends, free from constant supervision.

The answers highlight a cultural shift. Over the past several decades, the independence once common for children — riding bikes across town, walking to the corner store or wandering through a local park — has steadily disappeared. Parents often cite safety concerns, and social norms reinforce the idea that letting kids roam is risky. Yet statistics show that many communities are actually safer today than in past generations.

The episode raises an uncomfortable possibility: children are not “addicted” to screens so much as they are starved for spaces where they can make choices and explore without adults hovering nearby. Smartphones, for all their flaws, offer at least the perception of autonomy. They allow young people to connect, interact and discover on their own terms — even if those experiences are shaped by algorithms.
 
1moretimeagain said:
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Did it not occur to these people that the killer’s father was trying to save his son’s life, at least to give him time to recover / repent?

In any event, the notion that the dad should have covered up his own son’s involvement and deliberately dispatched his own son rather than convince him to not commit suicide and turn himself in (which is what the dad did according to reports) is so deeply misguided on so many levels it is hard to know where to begin.
 
nycfan said:
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As Brandy Zadrozny (a reporter who specializes in online extremism) said last night, you can find radical and violent leftist content online but it's well overshadowed by the ocean of rightest extremism, especially in the gaming and young male communities.

So the governor might be correct - it is just somewhat unlikely, which doesn't mean impossible. Right now I just don't trust anyone trying to put out a narrative of any kind.
 
farce© said:
This reminded me of an article about a podcast I read recently (I can’t find it not behind a paywall)

For years, experts and parents alike have debated how to get children off their devices. Limiting screen time, blocking apps and setting stricter household rules are common strategies. But what if the problem isn’t the technology itself but the loss of freedom to simply be a kid?

Hosts Richard Kyte and Scott Rada look at a revealing report from The Atlantic that asked children directly how they would spend less time online. The most common response was not more rules or stricter discipline — it was more unstructured play with friends, free from constant supervision.

The answers highlight a cultural shift. Over the past several decades, the independence once common for children — riding bikes across town, walking to the corner store or wandering through a local park — has steadily disappeared. Parents often cite safety concerns, and social norms reinforce the idea that letting kids roam is risky. Yet statistics show that many communities are actually safer today than in past generations.

The episode raises an uncomfortable possibility: children are not “addicted” to screens so much as they are starved for spaces where they can make choices and explore without adults hovering nearby. Smartphones, for all their flaws, offer at least the perception of autonomy. They allow young people to connect, interact and discover on their own terms — even if those experiences are shaped by algorithms.
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Interesting stuff. My best youth memories involve things like "following a creek"-see where it starts or ends. I lived in town-but we had creeks in town and they wandered through the woods. Or Driveway basketball games-or a random field touch football game
Never a parent in sight. Sometimes we had BB guns and occasionally firecrackers wrapped in melted plastic to "bomb" the creeks. Now we learned early shooting a bird actually sucked. And blowing up a crawdad sucked. But we learned that on our own .
I have 2 tenish year old grandsons-They are in organized basketball , soccer, even a Chess club. Always supervised. The parents take them on hikes a lot-usually on a semipaved path
As I got older we might find a Playboy magazine-woow that was fun . I don't want to think about it but I imagine my grandsons can click right to hard porn........uggghh
 
farce© said:
This reminded me of an article about a podcast I read recently (I can’t find it not behind a paywall)

For years, experts and parents alike have debated how to get children off their devices. Limiting screen time, blocking apps and setting stricter household rules are common strategies. But what if the problem isn’t the technology itself but the loss of freedom to simply be a kid?

Hosts Richard Kyte and Scott Rada look at a revealing report from The Atlantic that asked children directly how they would spend less time online. The most common response was not more rules or stricter discipline — it was more unstructured play with friends, free from constant supervision.

The answers highlight a cultural shift. Over the past several decades, the independence once common for children — riding bikes across town, walking to the corner store or wandering through a local park — has steadily disappeared. Parents often cite safety concerns, and social norms reinforce the idea that letting kids roam is risky. Yet statistics show that many communities are actually safer today than in past generations.

The episode raises an uncomfortable possibility: children are not “addicted” to screens so much as they are starved for spaces where they can make choices and explore without adults hovering nearby. Smartphones, for all their flaws, offer at least the perception of autonomy. They allow young people to connect, interact and discover on their own terms — even if those experiences are shaped by algorithms.
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If you let your kid play outside for an hour unsupervised, you'd have multiple people in the neighborhood call the cops on you.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
both sides protect their narratives with everything they got and neither will accept much less admit it.... just what controlled sheep do
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I will admit. I have never wanted a suspect to be on the right more than this time.

It isn’t because of some us vs them thing. I am not about to gloat over it like it’s football game.

It is because so many people on the right are ready to oppress and even kill people over this. The rhetoric from the right over the last few days has been nothing short of terrifying.

We don’t know all about the mindset of the guy but it is pretty clear he wasn’t what the right assumed immediately after the shooting. That may have given us a little reprieve.
 
rodoheel said:
Whatever this kid's exact ideology turns out to be (and it may be a little incoherent) it's clear that he was hyper online. If nothing else comes from this maybe this can help us have a much-needed reckoning about how toxic online spaces are and how they incentivize and promote extremist rhetoric and action. Social media and other online spaces are rotting out kids' brains.
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"These extremists are being radicalized online" used to be a line really important to the right. When it's their side being radicalized, crickets. It's right wing religious and cultural radicalization whether it's in the middle east or in the midwest.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I will admit. I have never wanted a suspect to be on the right more than this time.

It isn’t because of some us vs them thing. I am not about to gloat over it like it’s football game.

It is because so many people on the right are ready to oppress and even kill people over this. The rhetoric from the right over the last few days has been nothing short of terrifying.

We don’t know all about the mindset of the guy but it is pretty clear he wasn’t what the right assumed immediately after the shooting. That may have given us a little reprieve.
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The kid that shot orange hitler in the ear was on the right but that didn’t stop them from blaming the left.
 
I don’t see how anyone who isn't full of crap can take what was written on the casings and do some basic research and come to the conclusion that he was radicalized by far left ideology. The guy thought the far right wasn't far right enough and was deep into that stupid online crap.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I will admit. I have never wanted a suspect to be on the right more than this time.

It isn’t because of some us vs them thing. I am not about to gloat over it like it’s football game.

It is because so many people on the right are ready to oppress and even kill people over this. The rhetoric from the right over the last few days has been nothing short of terrifying.

We don’t know all about the mindset of the guy but it is pretty clear he wasn’t what the right assumed immediately after the shooting. That may have given us a little reprieve.
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Imagine if this had been done by an actual left wing nut in a place like, I don't know, Chicago?

The response would be terrifying. You can tell by the softening and backpedaling of the initial "this is war" response that the inside info is all showing this guy is not left-wing in any way.
 
I tried to watch Erika Kirk's statement. It was just too uncomfortable to watch. The way that she was talking seemed completely unnatural and forced.
 
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