Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

I was thinking yesterday about whether Charlie Kirk's death would remain an enduring story. Now that it appears the murderer was just another MAGA gun nut, I think not. Sure, the hardcore types will continue to bray about Kirk the same way they do with Ashli Babbitt. But, I think the crossover into anyone living in the real world will be brief.

Many people, when notified of the death of Charlie Kirk, responded, "who?" That may very well be the default response in a couple of months.
 
wmheel1287 said:
No, it means you should have some level of self awareness at some point that your grand pronouncements are often piles of horseshit stacked higher than you likely stand.
Click to expand...
I don't know what "grand pronouncement" I made. Saying that both sides believe that the other side is the only one responsible for our current political violence isn't a grand pronouncement.

Saying that news outlets, even those who may want to be balanced, have to pander to one side or the other, and therefore end up becoming part of the problem, also isn't a grand pronouncement.

So, when you talk about some "grand pronouncement"...

tenor.gif
 
wmheel1287 said:
No, it means you should have some level of self awareness at some point that your grand pronouncements are often piles of horseshit stacked higher than you likely stand.
Click to expand...
I'll also add....

If you have such an issue with "grand pronouncements", that you feel it necessary to completely avoid the topic of what I said, in favor of calling me out for the grand pronouncement, then I'd absolute to hear your thoughts on this:

W

Politics Post in thread 'Dictator Trump'

HeelYeah2012 said:
My favorite part was the part about not having another Democrat as president for the rest of your life, lol.

Democrats will have a great chance to win the White House in 2028 if they can drop some of the dumb stuff from their platform and focus on kitchen table issues.
Click to expand...
There will not be a Presidential Election in 2028 in any real sense. The only elections we will see for the next decades will be of the variety conducted in Hungary and Russia.

We have all seen the end of any semblance of voters having a say at the polls in this land...for a very long time.
  • Like
 
nycfan said:


Retraction of a widely reported claim
Click to expand...

So, what do YeahRamCalla hang onto next? Ah, yes! some rando on TikTok, with 3 followers and as likely to be a plant, screeching some insanity.

The overwhelming bulk of IRL liberals condemn political violence, convey condolences to the survivors, and shake their heads in sorrow for the country. The overwhelming bulk of public right wing figures IMMEDIATELY leverage a gruesome murder as a justification for violence and retribution - and continue to do so despite the killer shown to be a FAR right-wing figure.

And you wonder why we think maga is dragging this country, against the will of the majority, into widespread political violence … and then you bleat and shriek about being called fascist.
 
Molotov Mocktail said:
MAGA gave away the game 2 days ago. They are champing at the bit for a “war” with the enemy left. I don’t know how it’s going to to play out, but they want violence.

How do we move forward knowing this? I don’t think, “I’m just going to go to work, take care of my family, and hope this works out” is realistic anymore.
Click to expand...
I am not a gun person but I am considering buying something (probably a bolt action rifle) with as good of a lock as I can get and store it in the attic. If I do I will take lessons.

The purpose would not be for a random break in. Having it accessible enough for that would be too risky especially with my special needs child.

My hope/expectation would be that the rifle is never used except for training.
 
Most recent events where the shooters were politically motivated have resulted in the discovery of a digital footprint… manifesto/twitter/Reddit within hours. Given that we’re a day or so into knowing who this guy is and there’s nothing directly attributable to him that belies his motivations or beliefs… I think it’s more likely he didn’t follow any sort of cohesive ideology.

Seemed to be a relatively bright guy who ended up feeling like he had no prospects in life and leaned into the pervasive culture of irony and nihilism that’s present in many corners of the internet populated by young men. Eventually came to the conclusion that, fuck it, he might as well take a pot shot at the most convenient high profile figure he found. Pretty similar to Thomas Crooks, but he actually made the shot. Both had access to guns from family which made the act even easier. No easy answer to the cause or cure of such circumstances.
 
ZenMode said:
I'll also add....

If you have such an issue with "grand pronouncements", that you feel it necessary to completely avoid the topic of what I said, in favor of calling me out for the grand pronouncement, then I'd absolute to hear your thoughts on this:

W

Politics Post in thread 'Dictator Trump'

HeelYeah2012 said:
My favorite part was the part about not having another Democrat as president for the rest of your life, lol.

Democrats will have a great chance to win the White House in 2028 if they can drop some of the dumb stuff from their platform and focus on kitchen table issues.
Click to expand...
There will not be a Presidential Election in 2028 in any real sense. The only elections we will see for the next decades will be of the variety conducted in Hungary and Russia.

We have all seen the end of any semblance of voters having a say at the polls in this land...for a very long time.
  • Like
Click to expand...
Wake me up when this proves to be untrue. We will be lucky if we make it to elections in 2026 that aren't completely farcical, much less 2028.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I am not a gun person but I am considering buying something (probably a bolt action rifle) with as good of a lock as I can get and store it in the attic. If I do I will take lessons.

The purpose would not be for a random break in. Having it accessible enough for that would be too risky especially with my special needs child.

My hope/expectation would be that the rifle is never used except for training.
Click to expand...
This is where I have some disagreements with the left on guns.

The vast majority of gun owners never do anything illegal with them. They shoot for fun, they hunt for fun, etc.

But the right is no better with their lies about protection, the data shows one is more likely to hurt themself or a family member with a gun in the house than an intruder.

That being said, I've had 3 guns for year and haven't shot them for years. Now that my dad has died, I have about 10 guns. I'm also storing my BIL's guns, so there are probably 30 in the house. But they are all in a gun safe in the basement.

I believe the way for us to move forward with real gun legislation is to better study it. To do that we need to remove the bullshit that the NRA got passed that keeps us from creating a database to study it. In my opinion, to do that we need to ensure gun owners that it will not be used against them and that the plan isn't to take everyone's toys(guns). We can't do that with the Beto O'Rourke's out there making statements to the contrary.

Gun laws need to be federal. Individual state laws end up circumventing each other in many cases.
No state should be able to not require background checks, training, mental health qualifications, waiting periods, or registration.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
Many people, when notified of the death of Charlie Kirk, responded, "who?" That may very well be the default response in a couple of months.
Click to expand...
I somewhat agree. I knew his name and his M.O. but I tend to get most of the right wing nuts mixed up since I blissfully tune them out.

But where I think it will bubble up again is in the form of some copycat nut-job kid doing something similar to “avenge” him. Unfortunately there is no end to the supply of these dangerous little incel fucks who want their own blaze of glory. There’s no turning off that faucet now, it’s a new fact of life.
 
nrsair said:
Most recent events where the shooters were politically motivated have resulted in the discovery of a digital footprint… manifesto/twitter/Reddit within hours. Given that we’re a day or so into knowing who this guy is and there’s nothing directly attributable to him that belies his motivations or beliefs… I think it’s more likely he didn’t follow any sort of cohesive ideology.

Seemed to be a relatively bright guy who ended up feeling like he had no prospects in life and leaned into the pervasive culture of irony and nihilism that’s present in many corners of the internet populated by young men. Eventually came to the conclusion that, fuck it, he might as well take a pot shot at the most convenient high profile figure he found. Pretty similar to Thomas Crooks, but he actually made the shot. Both had access to guns from family which made the act even easier. No easy answer to the cause or cure of such circumstances.
Click to expand...
There is some truth to this, but we gotta stop with the equivocations about what ideology overwhelmingly informs these disgusting online fever swamps.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top