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McAdooSmackinYou said:
Proving a little context or disclaimer would be helpful, then. As posted, it comes across as a legit topic of discussion. She’s elevating ram’s bigotry by making it seem like a legit question. And I know she doesn’t agree with ram. Does everyone? I can’t believe people still don’t get that we are in an information war.
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I think/hope that everyone here knows very well of the intellect and connection with reality that nycfan brings to bear. And that information war is exactly why we need to know every sordid detail of what the purveyors of untruths are disseminating.
 
Callatoroy said:
Sure wish there was some way to save all these posts predicting the downfall of democracy to have them revisited after nov. 2028.
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The events of January 6 were thwarted but the effort to crush The Constitution are ongoing. To defeat that endeavor is a prolonged struggle in which many are engaged.
 
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Callatoroy said:
It didn’t take 4 years for people who weren’t brainwashed by their media and pelosi. Again, there was NEVER a threat to democracy by any trump supporters.

On a side note, how has your pizza making been going? I didn’t use my oven for a few months but lately have been like a mad scientist trying to perfect it. This video is fantastic and I have followed much of his advice. It covers dough, sauce, and cheese.
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Never a threat to democracy by any Trump supporters? January fucking 6th!!!! That was absolutely a threat to democracy.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not at all. Just applying common sense and not being shepherded by people trying to scare me and rile me up. Sure worked on you apparently


Here’s your boogeyman

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Just curious, what do you think it would take to overthrow our democracy?
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More than your cosplay crowd yet no doubt your hate of intellectuals will doom you and your cronies. My father always said that experience is a thorough but grueling teacher! Learn it in a book or classroom instead.
I’m afraid that your hatred of teachers and intellectuals will doom the country. But carry on my wayward son!
Callatoroy said:
Sure wish there was some way to save all these posts predicting the downfall of democracy to have them revisited after nov. 2028.
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I’m pretty sure/certain this is the internet and your shitty drivel and wrong brain bullshit will unfortunately likely live forever!
I pity our grandchildren.
 
donbosco said:
Hiding from the information "out there," thus not knowing what is being discussed is no way to proceed.
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Get away from social media and all the “influencers” that are quoted here 1000 times a day. Seems many on this board feed into it and slurp it up. Seriously, what does it take to overthrow the US g’ment? Literally, the one person trump needed to begin a coup told him to fuck off? His generals didn’t like him. The tweets quoted on here are poison and do nothing but perpetuate the violent rhetoric that people on here and politicians say need to be eliminated. But I bet next week you guys will be right back to posting those very tweets and ginning yourselves up because it has become addictive to you. Either you are serious about changing the toxic discourse or not. If so it requires independent thought. Not influenced by social media.
 
Callatoroy said:
Ok. Explain how
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They tried to murder members of Congress and the Vice President to overturn the results of a free and fair election. I’d say that’s a threat to Democracy. Even if you buy the bullshit that they weren’t trying to kill anyone (despite them beating cops within inches of their lives), just trying to intimidate them with threats of physical violence ie “HANG MIKE PENCE!” (with a gallows erected in front of the Capitol) is a threat to Deomcracy.
 
SmilingJack said:
More than your cosplay crowd yet no doubt your hate of intellectuals will doom you and your cronies. My father always said that experience is a thorough but grueling teacher! Learn it in a book or classroom instead.
I’m afraid that your hatred of teachers and intellectuals will doom the country. But carry on my wayward son!

I’m pretty sure/certain this is the internet and your shitty drivel and wrong brain bullshit will unfortunately likely live forever!
I pity our grandchildren.
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You seem hostile. Maybe take a break.
 
donbosco said:
I think/hope that everyone here knows very well of the intellect and connection with reality that nycfan brings to bear. And that information war is exactly why we need to know every sordid detail of what the purveyors of untruths are disseminating.
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They likely don’t. I get frustrated with NYC precisely because I know she’s smart AF and I know she doesn’t agree with ram. And I know she’s not a flaming liberal. So I find it disappointing that instead of asking ram “why would that even matter” she apparently runs off to investigate if ram’s obvious hate-fueled claim is true or not. As a gay person, if I don’t feel like people like people like NYC have my back, it worries me. I wish everyone here would go and watch Celluloid Closet and see that the way trans people are being portrayed today is exactly how gay people were portrayed in the past - sick and or criminal. It took a fucking battle for gay people to get beyond that so it’s shitty to see well meaning people fall for the same shtick.
 
Callatoroy said:
Not at all. Just applying common sense and not being shepherded by people trying to scare me and rile me up. Sure worked on you apparently


Here’s your boogeyman

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Just curious, what do you think it would take to overthrow our democracy?
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Undermining Free and Fair Elections
Destroying Checks and Balances
Normalizing corruption
Flooding society with misinformation

To take it farther back...in the Federalist Papers, Madison wrote that factions pursuing their own agendas at the expense of the common good, the concentration of power in a single branch and the acquiescence of the other two, and an ill-informed public could readily combine to destroy our constitutional democratic republic (Hereafter, CDR).

Hamilton: Earlier today I wrote about rereading Federalist Paper #1, right there Hamilton wrote..."Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by gaining the confidence of the people...” -- i.e., Demagoguery can lead to the end. Hamilton also saw incompetence as a detriment to the continuance of CDR -- the kind of thing one sees with Hegseth, Patel, Noem, Long, Bondi, and RFK Jr. In Federalist #29 Hamilton argues that a similar incompetence and coupled with the same type of misinformation that worried Madison could also threaten the CDR.
 
Oh, I dunno, maybe that the January 6 rioters were actually trying to kill leading members of Congress or take them hostage to prevent them from doing their Constitutional duty and certify the electoral vote making Biden the winner of the election? It's no accident that the riot took place on the very day that Congress was voting to read and certify the electoral vote. People literally died in this riot and members of Congress had to flee for their lives and/or hide for their safety (including gutless tools like Josh Hawley, who stirred the rioters up before being videotaped fleeing the Capitol like a coward). Yeah, I'd say that was one of the biggest direct threats ever to the government. In the entire Civil War the Confederates were never able to drag their flag into the Capitol building, but on January 6 Neo-Confederates brought that damn flag of treason right into the heart of the nation's capital.
 
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McAdooSmackinYou said:
They likely don’t. I get frustrated with NYC precisely because I know she’s smart AF and I know she doesn’t agree with ram. And I know she’s not a flaming liberal. So I find it disappointing that instead of asking ram “why would that even matter” she apparently runs off to investigate if ram’s obvious hate-fueled claim is true or not. As a gay person, if I don’t feel like people like people like NYC have my back, it worries me. I wish everyone here would go and watch Celluloid Closet and see that the way trans people are being portrayed today is exactly how gay people were portrayed in the past - sick and or criminal. It took a fucking battle for gay people to get beyond that so it’s shitty to see well meaning people fall for the same shtick.
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Well...thanks for the explanation I really do appreciate it...but as a historian I can't not look.
 
Callatoroy said:
Get away from social media and all the “influencers” that are quoted here 1000 times a day. Seems many on this board feed into it and slurp it up. Seriously, what does it take to overthrow the US g’ment? Literally, the one person trump needed to begin a coup told him to fuck off? His generals didn’t like him. The tweets quoted on here are poison and do nothing but perpetuate the violent rhetoric that people on here and politicians say need to be eliminated. But I bet next week you guys will be right back to posting those very tweets and ginning yourselves up because it has become addictive to you. Either you are serious about changing the toxic discourse or not. If so it requires independent thought. Not influenced by social media.
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If you're not going to read my posts yet write as if you have - just...well...fuck off.
 
Hamilton actually started off the Federalist Papers with these words:

"AFTER an unequivocal experience of the inefficiency of the subsisting federal government, you are called upon to deliberate on a new Constitution for the United States of America. The subject speaks its own importance; comprehending in its consequences nothing less than the existence of the UNION, the safety and welfare of the parts of which it is composed, the fate of an empire in many respects the most interesting in the world. It has been frequently remarked that it seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection and choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force. If there be any truth in the remark, the crisis at which we are arrived may with propriety be regarded as the era in which that decision is to be made; and a wrong election of the part we shall act may, in this view, deserve to be considered as the general misfortune of mankind. This idea will add the inducements of philanthropy to those of patriotism, to heighten the solicitude which all considerate and good men must feel for the event. Happy will it be if our choice should be directed by a judicious estimate of our true interests, unperplexed and unbiased by considerations not connected with the public good. But this is a thing more ardently to be wished than seriously to be expected. The plan offered to our deliberations affects too many particular interests, innovates upon too many local institutions, not to involve in its discussion a variety of objects foreign to its merits, and of views, passions and prejudices little favorable to the discovery of truth."

Frankly we were in far, far less danger of losing our constitutional democratic republic (which was actually more of a confederation at the time of the composition of the Federalist Papers since The Constitution had yet to be ratified) in October of 1787 of descending into an abyss of inequalities, dishonesty, corruption, oligarchy , and orchestrated faux elections than we are today. At least the Articles of Confederation, while weak, were not the sort of anti-democratic, anti-republic kleptocracy that trumpism shows itself to be and intend to deepen.
 
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