Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Callatoroy said:
Get away from social media and all the “influencers” that are quoted here 1000 times a day. Seems many on this board feed into it and slurp it up. Seriously, what does it take to overthrow the US g’ment? Literally, the one person trump needed to begin a coup told him to fuck off? His generals didn’t like him. The tweets quoted on here are poison and do nothing but perpetuate the violent rhetoric that people on here and politicians say need to be eliminated. But I bet next week you guys will be right back to posting those very tweets and ginning yourselves up because it has become addictive to you. Either you are serious about changing the toxic discourse or not. If so it requires independent thought. Not influenced by social media.
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You support Donald Trump and you are preaching about changing the toxic discourse.
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UNCBAdookJD said:
They tried to murder members of Congress and the Vice President to overturn the results of a free and fair election. I’d say that’s a threat to Democracy. Even if you buy the bullshit that they weren’t trying to kill anyone (despite them beating cops within inches of their lives), just trying to intimidate them with threats of physical violence ie “HANG MIKE PENCE!” (with a gallows erected in front of the Capitol) is a threat to Deomcracy.
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So that equals overthrowing the g’ment? How? Trump had no military support for a coup, no meaningful congressional support, and no meaningful public support. The one guy he needed to not certify the election told him to fuck off and you are claiming trump and 200 knuckle draggers could end our 244 yo democracy. You can’t in any logical way make a credible argument to support that even being remotely possible. But rather than applying any critical thinking you allowed your news media, politicians who want to stoke anger and fear, social media influencers and zzl posters to leverage your hatred of trump and convince you of something that had a zero possibility of happening. Hope you apply better logic in representing your clients.
 
McAdooSmackinYou said:
Proving a little context or disclaimer would be helpful, then. As posted, it comes across as a legit topic of discussion. She’s elevating ram’s bigotry by making it seem like a legit question. And I know she doesn’t agree with ram. Does everyone? I can’t believe people still don’t get that we are in an information war.
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i agree with this. As much as I respect what NYC does for this board, there are times where I think some editorial comments are missing and because of that she is just amplifying lies (inadvertently).

Again, not trying to be critical but just saying what I believe needs to be said. Not personal to NYC as I have upmost respect for her.
 
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Callatoroy said:
So that equals overthrowing the g’ment? How? Trump had no military support for a coup, no meaningful congressional support, and no meaningful public support. The one guy he needed to not certify the election told him to fuck off and you are claiming trump and 200 knuckle draggers could end our 244 yo democracy. You can’t in any logical way make a credible argument to support that even being remotely possible. But rather than applying any critical thinking you allowed your news media, politicians who want to stoke anger and fear, social media influencers and zzl posters to leverage your hatred of trump and convince you of something that had a zero possibility of happening. Hope you apply better logic in representing your clients.
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Callatoroy said:
So that equals overthrowing the g’ment? How? Trump had no military support for a coup, no meaningful congressional support, and no meaningful public support. The one guy he needed to not certify the election told him to fuck off and you are claiming trump and 200 knuckle draggers could end our 244 yo democracy. You can’t in any logical way make a credible argument to support that even being remotely possible. But rather than applying any critical thinking you allowed your news media, politicians who want to stoke anger and fear, social media influencers and zzl posters to leverage your hatred of trump and convince you of something that had a zero possibility of happening. Hope you apply better logic in representing your clients.
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When the avoidance of a coup depends on “one guy” being willing to tell Trump to fuck off, we’re damn close to the overthrow of our government. Especially when that “one guy” would do literally anything Trump asked him to do today.
 
Callatoroy said:
So that equals overthrowing the g’ment? How? Trump had no military support for a coup, no meaningful congressional support, and no meaningful public support. The one guy he needed to not certify the election told him to fuck off and you are claiming trump and 200 knuckle draggers could end our 244 yo democracy. You can’t in any logical way make a credible argument to support that even being remotely possible. But rather than applying any critical thinking you allowed your news media, politicians who want to stoke anger and fear, social media influencers and zzl posters to leverage your hatred of trump and convince you of something that had a zero possibility of happening. Hope you apply better logic in representing your clients.
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That they failed doesn’t mean it wasn’t a threat. And Trump this time picked people significantly less competent but also significantly more loyal to him. Your argument essentially boils down to, sure, they tried to overthrow democracy but they were too incompetent and didn’t have two or three difference makers on their side this go around, so they were doomed to fail therefore it doesn’t actually count. A fake bomb threat is still a bomb threat even when there is no bomb and the caller doesn’t know how to make or buy one or even he plants a bomb but is sucks at making it so it doesn’t actually go off. All of that is still a threat.

You think Vance would tell him to fuck off the same way Pence did? You think Hegseth and Raisin’ Cain will tell him to fuck off the way Esper and Milley did? You think Bondi will tell him to fuck off the way Barr did? I don’t. Nor does anybody thinking rationally.
 
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lawtig02 said:
When the avoidance of a coup depends on “one guy” being willing to tell Trump to fuck off, we’re damn close to the overthrow of our government. Especially when that “one guy” would do literally anything Trump asked him to do today.
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True, and if the armed and very violent mob had been able to take members of Congress hostage they could have indeed delayed certification of the electoral vote and thrown the presidential transition into chaos, which is what Trump wanted. Maybe they couldn't have overthrown the government for long, but they sure as hell came close to delaying the electoral vote and thus disrupting the Constitutional process for the first time in our history, not to mention killing government officials. It's absurd to blow that off and pretend that it wasn't a serious threat to our constitutional democracy, but instead was just some sort of minor disturbance.
 
Callatoroy said:
So that equals overthrowing the g’ment? How? Trump had no military support for a coup, no meaningful congressional support, and no meaningful public support. The one guy he needed to not certify the election told him to fuck off and you are claiming trump and 200 knuckle draggers could end our 244 yo democracy. You can’t in any logical way make a credible argument to support that even being remotely possible. But rather than applying any critical thinking you allowed your news media, politicians who want to stoke anger and fear, social media influencers and zzl posters to leverage your hatred of trump and convince you of something that had a zero possibility of happening. Hope you apply better logic in representing your clients.
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Well at least the January 6 criminals are all behind bars where those who attempt such things ought to be.
 
Callatoroy said:
So that equals overthrowing the g’ment? How? Trump had no military support for a coup, no meaningful congressional support, and no meaningful public support. The one guy he needed to not certify the election told him to fuck off and you are claiming trump and 200 knuckle draggers could end our 244 yo democracy. You can’t in any logical way make a credible argument to support that even being remotely possible. But rather than applying any critical thinking you allowed your news media, politicians who want to stoke anger and fear, social media influencers and zzl posters to leverage your hatred of trump and convince you of something that had a zero possibility of happening. Hope you apply better logic in representing your clients.
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Touch grass Calla. Take a break from social media yourself.
 
donbosco said:
Undermining Free and Fair Elections
Destroying Checks and Balances
Normalizing corruption
Flooding society with misinformation

To take it farther back...in the Federalist Papers, Madison wrote that factions pursuing their own agendas at the expense of the common good, the concentration of power in a single branch and the acquiescence of the other two, and an ill-informed public could readily combine to destroy our constitutional democratic republic (Hereafter, CDR).

Hamilton: Earlier today I wrote about rereading Federalist Paper #1, right there Hamilton wrote..."Of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by gaining the confidence of the people...” -- i.e., Demagoguery can lead to the end. Hamilton also saw incompetence as a detriment to the continuance of CDR -- the kind of thing one sees with Hegseth, Patel, Noem, Long, Bondi, and RFK Jr. In Federalist #29 Hamilton argues that a similar incompetence and coupled with the same type of misinformation that worried Madison could also threaten the CDR.
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Were elections undermined in any way?
Were checks and balances eliminated in any way?
Corruption was never normalized although even though a small percentage refuse to believe their side isn’t corrupt.
Misinformation from the left and right has been in existence since the rise of social media. I would argue that is way more of a threat than anything trump could ever do.
 
Callatoroy said:
Were elections undermined in any way?
Were checks and balances eliminated in any way?
Corruption was never normalized although even though a small percentage refuse to believe their side isn’t corrupt.
Misinformation from the left and right has been in existence since the rise of social media. I would argue that is way more of a threat than anything trump could ever do.
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It appears that you may have read some of what I wrote. That's a start.

But you comprehended practically none of it.

I think I'd just as soon you put me on ignore.
 
Callatoroy said:
Were elections undermined in any way?
Were checks and balances eliminated in any way?
Corruption was never normalized although even though a small percentage refuse to believe their side isn’t corrupt.
Misinformation from the left and right has been in existence since the rise of social media. I would argue that is way more of a threat than anything trump could ever do.
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Uh, checks and balances have been absolutely decimated by Republicans in all three branches over the last ten years.
 
lawtig02 said:
When the avoidance of a coup depends on “one guy” being willing to tell Trump to fuck off, we’re damn close to the overthrow of our government. Especially when that “one guy” would do literally anything Trump asked him to do today.
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That you would think or argue it only hinges on one guy isn’t indicative of much thought. That reference was to point out that he had no meaningful support and it was never possible.
 
Callatoroy said:
It didn’t take 4 years for people who weren’t brainwashed by their media and pelosi. Again, there was NEVER a threat to democracy by any trump supporters.

On a side note, how has your pizza making been going? I didn’t use my oven for a few months but lately have been like a mad scientist trying to perfect it. This video is fantastic and I have followed much of his advice. It covers dough, sauce, and cheese.
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I've gotten pretty good. Figured out the heat and timing. We do it mostly when the kids are over.
 
donbosco said:
It appears that you may have read some of what I wrote. That's a start.

But you comprehended practically none of it.

I think I'd just as soon you put me on ignore.
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What is it with you guys and your emotional fragility? I don’t believe in the ignore button. If you don’t want to discuss anything with me then you can put me on ignore. Im not a pussy. If I don’t want to engage you I just don’t.

All you have done is provide theory. Nothing you provided has happened. Yet you have not applied any of what you posted to actual events that occurred. So, realistically, how close were we to the end of democracy given no g’ment support, military support, and public support?
 
Callatoroy said:
Were elections undermined in any way?
Were checks and balances eliminated in any way?
Corruption was never normalized although even though a small percentage refuse to believe their side isn’t corrupt.
Misinformation from the left and right has been in existence since the rise of social media. I would argue that is way more of a threat than anything trump could ever do.
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Were elections undermined? Yes. Morons still believe 2020 was stolen. A smaller but not insignificant group believe Trump stole 2024 bases on comments Trump himself made about Musk doing things to “the computers” to make him win. A chucklefuck in NC held up a NC Supreme Court seat for 6 months trying to get absentee ballots tossed out, but only in a few strategically selected counties. Fewer and fewer people trust that the outcomes of elections are legitimate, and that is exactly the definition of undermining elections. And that is all because Trump started crying that every election is rigged starting with the primaries in 2016.

Checks and balances are all sorts of eroded. Trump impounding money that was appropriated by law is stripping Congress of the power of the purse as just one example.

Corruption has been completely normalized by Trump. He has gutted the Department of Justice’s Public Integrity unit, which is responsible for prosecuting public corruption as well as DOJs Foreign Corrupt Practices Act enforcement unit. He fires any statistician who publishes numbers that make his administration look bad. His constant crypto grifting is probably the most brazen act of corruption in the history of the Presidency possibly aside from him accepting a jet from Qatar to be given to his “library” which will really just be his personal private plane after he leaves office while having the Air Force pay to upgrade it for him. Clarence Thomas is pretty much openly accepting bribes from Republicans mega donors at this point.
 
Callatoroy said:
What is it with you guys and your emotional fragility? I don’t believe in the ignore button. If you don’t want to discuss anything with me then you can put me on ignore. Im not a pussy. If I don’t want to engage you I just don’t.

All you have done is provide theory. Nothing you provided has happened. Yet you have not applied any of what you posted to actual events that occurred. So, realistically, how close were we to the end of democracy given no g’ment support, military support, and public support?
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Great...I have no one on ignore either but if you can't dredge up some honesty AND reading comprehension then other than as an example of a malignant, injured mindset, your musings here have no value.
 
What a wonderful, rooted in reality, argument...that so far trumpist attempts to destroy constitutional democratic republicanism have yet to fully come to fruition there is nothing to worry about.

Thanks for the window into the warped worldview.
 
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