Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

McAdooSmackinYou said:
Thanks for doing ram’s bidding. Posting diarrhea that even remotely considers that living in the same house as a trans person or dating a trans persons is in anyway relevant to a murder is fucked up. you’re giving weight to his incredibly stupid and offensive effort to deflect blame. You post a lot of great information but need an editor.
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That’s weak as hell. Blaming her in a passive aggressive way with a veiled insult because you don’t want potentially relevant info made known is pathetic. As is the suggestion that she should “protect” you because you are gay. You don’t need protecting because you are gay on this board.

“declined to speculate on a romantic relationship between the two men.”

You don’t think that info could be relevant as to his motive if there was a romantic relationship?
 
nycfan said:
“Someone posted, “Whatever you do, don’t go to a mcdonalds anytime soon,” a reference to the arrest of Luigi Mangione, who was found at a McDonald’s restaurant and charged with the killing of a health insurance chief executive in Manhattan….”
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That’s pretty funny. I wonder what Robinson’s intent was after the shooting. He clearly wanted to escape from the campus because he did so, but beyond that?
 
McAdooSmackinYou said:
Proving a little context or disclaimer would be helpful, then. As posted, it comes across as a legit topic of discussion. She’s elevating ram’s bigotry by making it seem like a legit question. And I know she doesn’t agree with ram. Does everyone? I can’t believe people still don’t get that we are in an information war.
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1moretimeagain said:
That’s pretty funny. I wonder what Robinson’s intent was after the shooting. He clearly wanted to escape from the campus because he did so, but beyond that?
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I think nycfan is on to something about the gaming community and anarchism, etc.. These groups seem hard to pin down (me being an old fart and not knowing 'kids these days'). Robinson might not be left or right politically, but something of a nihilist. He doesn't care, it was just something to do.
 
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Healing said:
This is deranged. Like truly either a troll or an early dementia patient.
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Indeed. And it isn't "the left" that is currently patrolling social media to try and find people who have posted things about Charlie Kirk they don't like and get them fired by contacting their employers and demanding punishment. And one of the websites they're using to do this is called - no joke - "Exposing Charlie's Murderers". Never mind that none of the people they're going after murdered Charlie, or that it's impossible to claim you're defending free speech when you're punishing people for practicing it, Trumpers (as usual) don't care. They are the ones who are practicing cancel culture and who have become a "woke mob" out to ruin people's careers for using Charlie Kirk's own quotes against him. They're praising Kirk for promoting "civil debate" on college campuses while simultaneously trying to silence debate and free speech on the internet. Just another fine example of GOP hypocrisy.
 
Some strange things about how this is being handled:

* Usually the cops want to piece together a motive to bolster prosecution, but here they have the suspect alive and he has given a confession— the frantic focus on motive seems unnecessary

* The earlier NY Post story about the roommate indicated that the roommate was cooperating with authorities and that “Text messages and other communications that the roommate traded with Robinson, 22, helped the feds nab the accused assassin.”
1) The Feds didn’t “nab” the assassin - based on widely reported details, he was confronted to his father, who talked him into telling a youth minister, who contacted the ATF, and the dad talked his son into turning himself in, which he did to local police

2) IF the roommate was cooperative and helping Feds nab the assassin, doesn’t that make the roommate a good guy in this situation?

* We’ve had several early leaks from law enforcement that were focused on blaming “transgender ideology” (whatever that even is) for the assassination that were debunked

* now we have law enforcement leaks again that seem to be presenting a narrative that the roommate is trans and possibly the killer’s lover, but also cooperating to help them nab the killer, but that also means that the purportedly transgender roommate is somehow to blame?

* so far, there has been no secondary corroboration of these new law enforcement leaks — a relative of the roommate explicitly said she considered the roommate a black sheet but had no idea if he is transgender, and there is no indication that should matter anyway given that the roommate is a cooperating witness, not the alleged killer, and none of the photos in the Post story suggest a man transitioning to female (which again doesn’t seem relevant anyway)

* I do think there may have been a lot of pundit and political and law enforcement misunderstanding of online gamer culture and trying to peg it as left or right wing political ideology when it is more of an anarchist, shitposting all sides suck disaffected youth culture
 
nycfan said:
No, that is incorrect. There is no credible allegation that the shooter is transgender or “furry”. You are wrong about that.

There are transgender criminals just like there are straight criminals and gay criminals. Normies (as you put it) are killing more transgender people than vice versa, but no murders are good.

Kirk is dead. Whatever good and evil that will be done in his name going forward, it will be in the name of a fictional version of Kirk that serves the people processing and exploiting his death.
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Trans, non trans, left, right, etc. it is important to understand motive regardless of which “group” he falls in.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Indeed. And it isn't "the left" that is currently patrolling social media to try and find people who have posted things about Charlie Kirk they don't like and get them fired by contacting their employers and demanding punishment. And one of the websites they're using to do this is called - no joke - "Exposing Charlie's Murderers". Never mind that none of the people they're going after murdered Charlie, or that it's impossible to claim you're defending free speech when you're punishing people for practicing it, Trumpers (as usual) don't care. They are the ones who are practicing cancel culture and who have become a "woke mob" out to ruin people's careers for using Charlie Kirk's own quotes against him. They're praising Kirk for promoting "civil debate" on college campuses while simultaneously trying to silence debate and free speech on the internet. Just another fine example of GOP hypocrisy.
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So, this is what I was referencing, way back to last summer, with respect to expecting “whisper networks”. MAGA is looking to every reason to silence, imprison, and likely kill people they simply disagree with, and they will twist themselves into a gordonian knot in futile attempts to satiate their ids and bottomless insecurity.
 
nycfan said:










https://x.com/adamscochran/status/1967069719665504486

Cochran clearly has a preferred narrative which may be clouding his analysis, but he is raising a lot of good questions about how and why information is being leaked by law enforcement so far.
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Here's the NY Times article (gift link)

www.nytimes.com

After Charlie Kirk Killing, Suspect Joked That His ‘Doppelganger’ Did It

Before he was arrested on suspicion of carrying out the assassination, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson sent friends messages showing that he was closely following news about the killing.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
Healing said:
This is deranged. Like truly either a troll or an early dementia patient.
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I didn’t understand the purpose of the post but after going back I interpret it as frustration because Ram doesn’t often post personal insults. I would invite you lefties to join a republican board and see how long you continue to participate before putting them on “ignore” by leaving due to the vitriol you get. On this board you live in a cocoon of affirmative nods. Regardless of your opinion of his views, if you are honest you will recognize that is out of character.
 
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