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theintercept.com

Proton Mail Says It’s “Politically Neutral” While Praising Republican Party

The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.
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Proton, the company behind the eponymous email provider Proton Mail, has won itself a loyal fanbase of dissidents, investigative journalists, and others skeptical of the prying eyes of government or Big Tech. Headquartered in Switzerland, the service describes itself as “a neutral and safe haven for your personal data, committed to defending your freedom.”

So it came as a surprise last month when Proton CEO Andy Yen praised the Republican Party in a post on X, declaring that “10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned.” When the tweet went viral, Proton’s official Reddit account posted a now-deleted comment stating that “Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”
 
finance.yahoo.com

DeepSeek's AI Breakthrough Sparks Microsoft, OpenAI Probe Into Possible Data Breach

Microsoft and OpenAI probe potential unauthorized data use by DeepSeek as U.S.-China AI competition intensifies
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Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) and OpenAI are investigating whether a group linked to Chinese AI startup DeepSeek accessed OpenAI's technology without authorization, Bloomberg reported, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Microsoft security researchers detected individuals believed to be associated with DeepSeek extracting large amounts of data via OpenAI's API last fall. Under OpenAI's terms, developers must pay to use its API, which limits how much data they can access.


As OpenAI's largest investor, Microsoft flagged the activity as a potential violation of OpenAI's terms of service or an attempt to bypass restrictions. DeepSeek's latest AI model, R1, has outperformed U.S. rivals at a fraction of the cost, triggering a selloff that wiped out $1 trillion in market value on Monday.
 
NCK9 said:
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DeepSeek's AI Breakthrough Sparks Microsoft, OpenAI Probe Into Possible Data Breach

Microsoft and OpenAI probe potential unauthorized data use by DeepSeek as U.S.-China AI competition intensifies
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Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) and OpenAI are investigating whether a group linked to Chinese AI startup DeepSeek accessed OpenAI's technology without authorization, Bloomberg reported, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Microsoft security researchers detected individuals believed to be associated with DeepSeek extracting large amounts of data via OpenAI's API last fall. Under OpenAI's terms, developers must pay to use its API, which limits how much data they can access.


As OpenAI's largest investor, Microsoft flagged the activity as a potential violation of OpenAI's terms of service or an attempt to bypass restrictions. DeepSeek's latest AI model, R1, has outperformed U.S. rivals at a fraction of the cost, triggering a selloff that wiped out $1 trillion in market value on Monday.
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More is coming out confirming this theory. One way they confirmed it was simply by asking the deepseek model and it said it was trained on Openai.

Essentially the way that Deepseek was allegedly able to do it so cheap was to piggyback on the work that openai did. Openai basically trains on the internet. That's a really big place and it needs an awful lot of resources. But deepseek could train its model basically by querying openai and getting a lot of shortcuts.

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So if true, what does that mean for the future? After all China has been stealing the intellectual property of everything from Rolex's to DVDs for decades now. The difference is that there are ways to shut down this training now that Openai knows what to look for. So that big sell-off of Nvidia might be overblown, And there very well still may be a lot of demand for all that hardware.
 
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More is coming out confirming this theory. One way they confirmed it was simply by asking the deepseek model and it said it was trained on Openai.

Essentially the way they were able to do it so cheap was to piggyback on the work that openai did. Openai basically trains on the internet. That's a really big place and it needs an awful lot of resources. But deepseek could train its model basically by querying openai and getting a lot of shortcuts.

1738429579444.jpeg

So what does that mean for the future? After all China has been stealing the intellectual property of everything from Rolex's to DVDs for decades now. The difference is that there are ways to shut down this training now that Openai knows what to look for. So that big sell-off of Nvidia might be overblown, And there very well still may be a lot of demand for all that hardware.
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All that seems right to me. And I would add this also means that while Sam Altman might have a very high IQ, he’s still a freaking idiot.
 
It doesn't matter all that much. The idea that NVidia is going to retain a stranglehold on GPU chips is not well-founded.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
More is coming out confirming this theory. One way they confirmed it was simply by asking the deepseek model and it said it was trained on Openai.

Essentially the way that Deepseek was allegedly able to do it so cheap was to piggyback on the work that openai did. Openai basically trains on the internet. That's a really big place and it needs an awful lot of resources. But deepseek could train its model basically by querying openai and getting a lot of shortcuts.

1738429579444.jpeg

So if true, what does that mean for the future? After all China has been stealing the intellectual property of everything from Rolex's to DVDs for decades now. The difference is that there are ways to shut down this training now that Openai knows what to look for. So that big sell-off of Nvidia might be overblown, And there very well still may be a lot of demand for all that hardware.
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Better would be for OpenAI to introduce countermeasures to corrupt a poachers model.
 
I should mention about Deepseek that before they "borrowed" open ai's model to train their model, they still had some really good stuff. They have smart folks on that team and they provide some really high-end models, especially coding assistants. They may or may not be part of the Chinese government. Their big issue right now is getting the hardware to train their models to keep up with open AI, Google and Meta because of export controls.

I don't know this, but another issue I think they are having is that announcement got them a lot more customers And they can't get the hardware to handle it. I am getting the equivalent of server busy messages all the time now and I was never getting them before.
 
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