College Basketball Catch-All | Season starts Monday

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Rock, can you hook the board up with tickets to the UNC @Kansas game?

Or maybe sponsor a promotion for board contributors.
 
Calheel said:
Rock, can you hook the board up with tickets to the UNC @Kansas game?

Or maybe sponsor a promotion for board contributors.
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That game is going to be the most expensive game in the history of Allen Fieldhouse. Tickets are so in demand that even with my connections, I am having difficulty finding a single ticket for myself.

I have seen numerous folks buying season tickets just for that game so that they can sell the rest of the games to make up for the cost.

Will let you know if anything changes though.
 
Rock said:
That game is going to be the most expensive game in the history of Allen Fieldhouse. Tickets are so in demand that even with my connections, I am having difficulty finding a single ticket for myself.

I have seen numerous folks buying season tickets just for that game so that they can sell the rest of the games to make up for the cost.

Will let you know if anything changes though.
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‘Twas kidding. I know that is an impossible ticket.
 
Wheels81 said:
This is going to be awkward. Duke is a Nike school. So, their best player gets to wear another brand?
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flagg will still wear nike on court and for anything dook official.

not a big deal at all, its happening all over the country. our very own ian jackson has a deal with adidas.

see also: RJ and harrison for reebok last season:
 
College basketball is dead. It's something else.

An extra year of eligibility ain't gonna do much. It isn't going to help the smaller schools, who will still lose players to the big timers because one year at Tennessee > 2 years at Northern Colorado (to take one particular example of a transfer that really worked out well for the player). It isn't going to fend off the feeding frenzy for the talented players looking to move between P5 schools, because those guys don't necessarily want a fifth year. They want $$ and the opportunity to show off for the pros.

There has to be a way to put in a rule requiring compensation to vest. Maybe 25% of the compensation gets put on a vesting schedule. Maybe it's just a two-year vest (i.e. the player gets the full compensation if he stays for two years). There are potential antitrust problems with this because of the stupid way the NCAA has gone about it, but there should be a workaround. Antitrust isn't typically a barrier to doing reasonable things.
 
superrific said:
College basketball is dead. It's something else.

An extra year of eligibility ain't gonna do much. It isn't going to help the smaller schools, who will still lose players to the big timers because one year at Tennessee > 2 years at Northern Colorado (to take one particular example of a transfer that really worked out well for the player). It isn't going to fend off the feeding frenzy for the talented players looking to move between P5 schools, because those guys don't necessarily want a fifth year. They want $$ and the opportunity to show off for the pros.

There has to be a way to put in a rule requiring compensation to vest. Maybe 25% of the compensation gets put on a vesting schedule. Maybe it's just a two-year vest (i.e. the player gets the full compensation if he stays for two years). There are potential antitrust problems with this because of the stupid way the NCAA has gone about it, but there should be a workaround. Antitrust isn't typically a barrier to doing reasonable things.
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Dead? I don't want you as my ER doctor.

And yes, there would be serious antitrust problems with your proposal. Eventually, there will be labor unions and salary caps, just like all professional sports. We are just not quite there yet.
 
Bigs23 said:
Neither is close to dead. Both are thriving. You just don’t like the changes.
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The product might be fine, but it's not college basketball any more. And I don't mean just the payments, though that is obviously a departure. It's the fact that teams are basically reloading with talent every year. It used to be that a team making a big championship push would struggle the next year, as their talent would depart and the remaining talent would be inexperienced (since the championship team played its starters heavily). After '98, the next season we finished third IIRC, and that was considered an overachievement. After '05, we finished third in '06 which was definitely an overachievement. And then after '09 . . . well anyway,

UConn, by contrast, says goodbye to its seniors and then gets a whole bunch of new experienced players to take over. To some extent, so did we -- and to the extent we didn't, it's not for lack of trying.

I've said that college basketball is now more like European soccer (without contracts!). It's still basketball, but it's not "college basketball" as we knew it.
 
superrific said:
The product might be fine, but it's not college basketball any more. And I don't mean just the payments, though that is obviously a departure. It's the fact that teams are basically reloading with talent every year. It used to be that a team making a big championship push would struggle the next year, as their talent would depart and the remaining talent would be inexperienced (since the championship team played its starters heavily). After '98, the next season we finished third IIRC, and that was considered an overachievement. After '05, we finished third in '06 which was definitely an overachievement. And then after '09 . . . well anyway,

UConn, by contrast, says goodbye to its seniors and then gets a whole bunch of new experienced players to take over. To some extent, so did we -- and to the extent we didn't, it's not for lack of trying.

I've said that college basketball is now more like European soccer (without contracts!). It's still basketball, but it's not "college basketball" as we knew it.
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College basketball “as we knew it” changed way more from 1965 to 1975 than from 2015 to 2025.
 
Calheel said:
And yes, there would be serious antitrust problems with your proposal. Eventually, there will be labor unions and salary caps, just like all professional sports. We are just not quite there yet.
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Well, this gets back to our previous discussion about how much latitude is afforded to sports leagues. I still say that NCAA v. Regents hasn't been overturned and if the NCAA doesn't pull out the stupidest possible justification for its eligibility rules, competition stability could justify mild restrictions (which is what they would be ATM, given that the athletes are getting paid and in many cases quite a lot).

We don't need a tangent about a purely hypothetical idea, so I don't really have anything else to say about antitrust.

As to the product: my parents used to be rabid Duke fans who lost interest in the team because of all the one-and-dones over there. The lack of year-to-year continuity really impacts spectators' ability to engage with the team. Part of the joy of the game has always been watching a team mature, as freshmen develop into upperclassmen, and adjust to holes in the roster. Do you remember that Illinois team in the late 80s or early 90s where basically everyone on the team was like 6'5". IIRC they spanked us in one game. That was a really fun team, and it only came about out of necessity. Today, they would just go splurge on a center and a point guard and play like every other team.
 
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