Concerning reports on John Fetterman

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I put this in the news thread, but this needs its own/

Paywalled: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/art...ruggle-mental-health-clinical-depression.html

Summary: https://www.jezebel.com/john-fettermans-wife-reportedly-told-staff-she-was-at-a-breaking-point

In June, Fetterman almost killed himself and his wife, Gisele, in a car accident caused by his reckless driving.

On Friday, New York magazine published a lengthy story on Fetterman’s, err, condition, featuring extensive interviews with past staffers and Fetterman himself. “Former and current staffers paint a picture of an erratic senator who has become almost impossible to work for and whose mental-health situation is more serious and complicated than previously reported,” the feature begins.

A considerable portion of the article delves into Fetterman’s allegedly declining relationship with Gisele, who also became a political star during Fetterman’s Senate campaign, due to her progressive positions and social media savvy. The article describes tearful conversations between Gisele and Fetterman as she pleaded with him to reverse course on his support for Israel’s war crimes in the fall of 2023, to no avail. “They are bombing refugee camps. How can you support this?” a staffer recalled Gisele telling Fetterman in his office with tears in her eyes, around November 2023. He reportedly replied, “That’s all propaganda.”

“I am at breaking point and I can’t co-sign this any longer. Id love some help in language to separate myself from this. Can anyone help me?” Gisele wrote in a text to one staffer. Another former staffer claimed they overheard Gisele on speakerphone in December 2023, saying to Fetterman, “Who did I marry? Where is the man I married?” Gisele and Fetterman’s staffers have been in frequent contact about concerns with Fetterman’s mental state over the last couple years; Gisele reportedly impressed upon his staffers to prevent him from accessing passwords to his social media accounts. Many of those staffers are no longer working for Fetterman.

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Gisele also wound up joining Fetterman for his meeting with Trump in December. According to the magazine, as recently as February, Fetterman reportedly said of Palestinians in a meeting with a pro-Israel group, “You can’t reform a carton of sour milk” and “kill them all.”

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In a statement for the story, Gisele blamed pretty much everything on Fetterman’s former chief of staff and close confidante, Adam Jentleson, claiming Jentleson repeatedly misled her about Fetterman’s health, and denying most of Terris’ reporting. She accused Jentleson of being part of a conspiracy against her husband and said he fed her “scary, untrue stories about John’s health.” She explained, “I would talk to John’s doctors about what Adam was telling me and they would be confused. Those doctors would tell me that their concerns were not with John, but with Adam. Any alleged ‘concerns’ heard from me came straight from those lies, not from John’s doctors or my own eyes.” In response to these accusations, Jentlesen told Terris, “I stand by everything I said, and I hope Senator Fetterman gets the help he needs.” Take from all that what you will, I guess!

While hospitalized in 2023, Fetterman reportedly suffered intense delusions: He told doctors he suspected family members were wearing wires and recording him and hallucinated political rallies happening around him. Other staffers recount that Fetterman sometimes seemed to believe he was being followed by shadowy figures. One doctor attributed the delusions during his hospital stay to lingering effects from his 2022 stroke, dehydration, and complications with his medications. But his removal from reality persisted even after he left the hospital, former staffers said, recounting their recurring concerns that Fetterman wasn’t taking his medications.

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In a May 2024 letter to Fetterman’s doctors, Jentleson wrote, “We do not know if he is taking his meds and his behavior frequently suggests he is not… We often see the kind of warning signs we discussed.” In the letter, Jentleson recounted how Fetterman had recently bought a gun, and appeared to suffer from “conspiratorial thinking” and “megalomania,” seeing himself as a distinguished expert on Israel and Gaza solely from reading news articles, for instance. Perhaps most concerning, Jentleson and other staff accused Fetterman of actively endangering himself and others with extreme reckless driving, frequently driving well over the speed limit, and not just texting and actively reading news articles while driving over the speed limit, but even engaging in full-on FaceTime calls. In June 2024, Fetterman got into a car accident while speeding on a highway; he crashed into a 62-year-old woman driver, and Gisele, sitting in the backseat, suffered a pulmonary contusion and spinal fractures. Fetterman admitted he’d fallen asleep at the wheel. “It’s a miracle no one died,” the responding police officer said.

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Well darn. This worst part of the above post is that while I had not previously read everything in it, nothing in it is contrary to what I have read about Fetterman. I have seen far too many dramatic, post-stroke, personality changes in my life to just dismiss these reports as fabrications created by vengeful Democratics disappointed that Fetterman the Maverick turned out to actually be Fetterman the Maverick
 
I'm not going to make light of the actual and seemingly serious claims about declining mental health, but how does this fit into that conversation?

The article describes tearful conversations between Gisele and Fetterman as she pleaded with him to reverse course on his support for Israel’s war crimes in the fall of 2023, to no avail. “They are bombing refugee camps. How can you support this?” a staffer recalled Gisele telling Fetterman in his office with tears in her eyes, around November 2023. He reportedly replied, “That’s all propaganda.”
 
Well darn. This worst part of the above post is that while I had not previously read everything in it, nothing in it is contrary to what I have read about Fetterman. I have seen far too many dramatic, post-stroke, personality changes in my life to just dismiss these reports as fabrications created by vengeful Democratics disappointed that Fetterman the Maverick turned out to actually be Fetterman the Maverick
The dead giveaway that it’s not just the rantings of angry Democrats is that his wife is also among those concerned.
 
I'm not going to make light of the actual and seemingly serious claims about declining mental health, but how does this fit into that conversation?

The article describes tearful conversations between Gisele and Fetterman as she pleaded with him to reverse course on his support for Israel’s war crimes in the fall of 2023, to no avail. “They are bombing refugee camps. How can you support this?” a staffer recalled Gisele telling Fetterman in his office with tears in her eyes, around November 2023. He reportedly replied, “That’s all propaganda.”
Presumably because only people with brain damage think that Israel’s ongoing genocide is “all propaganda.”
 
Presumably because only people with brain damage think that Israel’s ongoing genocide is “all propaganda.”
In a territory of 3 million people, which is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, I guess John and I agree that about 50k deaths doesn't reflect a genocide.
 
In a territory of 3 million people, which is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, I guess John and I agree that about 50k deaths doesn't reflect a genocide.

Genocide is not determined just by the number killed. It consists of ...
  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Ethnic cleansing is perhaps a more accurate term, but the above definition of genocide also fits.
 
Why? NYC has a far larger population with greater density and the loss of life was magnitudes greater. You are quick to dismiss what happens in Gaza as some sort of precision surgical action exercised with the greatest care for saving lives. Yet 9/11 wouldn't be considered in that regard in any way and was far less deadly and less violent by nearly any measure.

What's weird is people like yourself and Fetterman pretending that the carnage in Gaza is anything other than entirely reprehensible.
 
Why? NYC has a far larger population with greater density and the loss of life was magnitudes greater. You are quick to dismiss what happens in Gaza as some sort of precision surgical action exercised with the greatest care for saving lives. Yet 9/11 wouldn't be considered in that regard in any way and was far less deadly and less violent by nearly any measure.

What's weird is people like yourself and Fetterman pretending that the carnage in Gaza is anything other than entirely reprehensible.
I didn't say what's happening in Gaza isn't a big deal and certainly don't think 9/11 wasn't a big deal.

I said what's happening in Gaza doesn't appear to be a genocide.
 
Genocide is not determined just by the number killed. It consists of ...
  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Ethnic cleansing is perhaps a more accurate term, but the above definition of genocide also fits.
It's seems that war, in general, is going to cause "serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group".

I'd say that the current denial of aid might qualify as genocide based on the second red bullet but, again, the decision to take and not release hostages, which would free up aid, is solely at the discretion of Hamas.

The problem Israel has with the ultimatum is that there's a 99% chance that they (Israel) caves first because they care more about Gaza civilians than Hamas does.
 
Genocide is not determined just by the number killed. It consists of ...
  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Ethnic cleansing is perhaps a more accurate term, but the above definition of genocide also fits.
I am also completely comfortable calling their actions war crimes, which they are.
 
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