CURRENT EVENTS - May 8-14

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And in many cases, these center left parties are the ones who ushered in austerity after the financial crisis.
Not really. It was mostly Merkel, IIRC. The Germans were by far the biggest pushers of austerity. The UK's austerity was put in place by David Cameron, a conservative.

The losers from austerity were Spain, Portugal and Italy. And Ireland. None of them had much choice, because they don't control their own currency. This is a major drawback of monetary union, probably the most important one.
 
I think Merkel and the CDU fit nicely onto the center-left in this context though, even if they are considered center right in Germany and Europe as a whole.

Cameron’s Conservative Party was also pretty liberal, especially looking back with our current understanding.

The point remains the same: the center is discredited. The left has been gutted. The right and far right are the only ones offering answers to a lot of the questions that average voters are concerned about.

I guess it would be more accurate to revise my earlier statement from center left to liberalism.
I would disagree. In the US, our liberal president pushed through a stimulus, not austerity.

Germany wasn't being liberal with its push to austerity. That was the conservative side of the CDU. It's fundamentally circular to say, "the CDU is overall liberal so liberalism is the problem" when the CDU was acting decidedly anti-liberal.

The problem in Europe is the German fetish with sound money. It's not entirely irrational for Germany; after all, monetary profligacy helped create Hitler. I think the time has come to move on. But anyway, that's the story of austerity in Europe, as I understand it having followed quite closely through the writings of Paul Krugman.

I would say that by far the biggest issue for the right-wing in Europe is the same issue as here: racism and xenophobia. The "government has failed us" is mostly just an excuse or a euphemism. For example, I seriously dated a liberal Austrian woman in the early 2000s. She really didn't like the Turks who had settled in Vienna. I wasn't sure if her attitude was racist or just an inconvenience experienced by a young woman; at the time I gave the benefit of the doubt, though in hindsight I think there was definitely racism involved. Point is, even the educated elites in Europe (she was/is a neurologist) can often be uncomfortable with outsiders. Sometimes, as in the Balkans, it becomes quite a bit more than discomfort.

Right wing politics has long been defined in terms of exclusion of some out group, whether it's foreigners or Jews or immigrants or dark skinned people. That's what it will continue to be. The trains running on time is just a coverup.
 
Well, I’m not surprised to find that you disagree with me about this.

The masterstroke of the modern right is its ability to force liberal parties to take responsibility not only for the perceived excesses of liberalism but also the conservative turn of neoliberalism.

I’m not saying that liberalism is the problem, though I do believe parts of liberalism have contributed to our current political paradigm. It’s the same tactic that Republicans here took in 1968. They’ve ran with it ever since. Liberals still haven’t figured out an answer.
Liberals don't have that strong core of voters that will vote Republican because of guns, race and God, no matter what the reality of what is best for the country might be. That's not the only people they draw or the only reason they draw them but it gives them a solid voting bloc that Democrats can't match.
 
The masterstroke of the modern right is its ability to force liberal parties to take responsibility not only for the perceived excesses of liberalism but also the conservative turn of neoliberalism.
The modern right, or the modern left? I mean, it's not me who lumps Reagan and Obama presidencies into one big undifferentiated "neoliberal" regime.

I mean, aren't you doing right now what you say "the right" is doing? It sounds like it to me, given that you're blaming the center-left for the neoliberalism espoused by the ruling center-right party in Germany. Or at least forcing liberalism to answer for a policy that liberals vehemently opposed.
 
Oh, I agree. And Republicans are very adept at getting their natural voter base to be angry about one thing or another. When the entire identity of liberalism has been defined by its right-wing enemies, it’s not surprise that people start to hate liberalism.

Liberals haven’t done themselves any favors in trying to escape this definition, though.
Problem is republicans have been fed lies for decades from the right wing media. They are brainwashed.
 
It’s a gross mischaracterization of my position to say that I lump Reagan and Obama into a “undifferentiated” regime.

My position is the one supported by the history. Neoliberalism has not been a project exclusive to the right and center right. Many center left parties across the world engaged in the same neoliberal policies advanced by Reagan and Thatcher. This was their way of regaining power in the face of conservative cultural critiques. It worked for a while (in terms of winning elections), but it doesn’t anymore.

After all, the FDP also supported austerity.
1. I didn't say you did that. Leftist political commentators have. They do regularly. I mean, the whole concept of neoliberalism is an attempt to put right-center and left-center in the same box. I mean, that's literally what infuriates me about it. I'm not making it up.

2. I'm not going to talk about world history in a broad sweep like that. For one thing, I'm not qualified. It also seems far afield. Your contention is that liberal parties in Europe were disgraced by their support for austerity. I just don't think that particular claim is well supported by the historical record.

3. I'm not very familiar with FDP. Wikipedia describes it as:

The FDP's political position has variously been described as centrist, centre-right, and right-wing. The FDP has been described as liberal, conservative liberal, classical liberal, and liberal conservative. Others have described the party as fiscally conservative, libertarian, or right-libertarian.
 
Your beliefs surrounding the word neoliberalism continue to be bizarre. It is not an attempt to put center right and center left into the same box. It is a well-documented historical phenomenon. Hayek et al. called themselves neoliberals. The Atari Democrats also called themselves neo-liberals.

The shared framework is their support for market fundamentalism, deregulation, privatization, austerity, free trade, and globalization. It is just a fact that Clinton continued us down the route of neoliberalism started by Carter and advanced by Reagan.
1. I see no evidence that either Hayek or Atari Democrats called themselves neo-liberals. The term neoliberalism wasn't in circulation until the 1990s, except in leftist academic circles. This is a tiny point, as the labels mean very little.

2. Here's how I see the folks you call neoliberal:

***Not market fundamentalism; market realism. If Clinton was a market fundamentalist, he wouldn't have been so strong on antitrust (within what the courts allowed). Same with Obama. I think everyone acknowledges that markets, when they work properly, create prosperity that other forms of economic stewardship cannot. The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals are much more keen to detect market failures and advocate for policies to address them.

***Not deregulation but right-sized regulation: Reagan had a hostility to regulations. Clinton had a hostility to inefficient regulations. That's why Clinton retained the Reagan executive order on cost-benefit analysis. When I was younger, I thought cost-benefit analysis is bullshit. Then after law school, my view became something like: cost-benefit analysis is kind of bullshit, and over-reliance on it is bad, but there are no better substitutes.

Cap and trade, for instance, was a right wing idea. Liberals didn't embrace it because they were neoliberal. They embraced it because it fucking worked.

*** Austerity: that's just not part of the American story. Clinton's deficit reduction wasn't about austerity; it was about a peace dividend and higher taxes on the rich. I'm not going to comment on it outside this context as it quickly gets too complicated.

*** Free Trade: absolutely. Clinton and Reagan were free traders. Agreed.

*** Globalization: I reject this word because I think it is pejorative and doesn't have a well-defined meaning. If you're referring generally to the idea that nations should cooperate more and trade more, I mean sure but that's mostly overlapping with free trade.

3. Again, the problem here is emphasis and rhetoric. I've never said there are no continuities between Clinton and Bush, or Obama and Bush 43. But the differences are as important and your language doesn't allow for that. GOP are market fundamentalists. The Dems are not. They just aren't. There is no cogent meaning of that term that can describe any national politician associated with the Democratic party in my adult life -- at least not that I can remember. The GOP are deregulators. The Dems are not.

The problem with "neoliberal" as a label isn't that it is wholly inaccurate; it's that it effaces important distinctions, as I've described above. I mean, it's really weird to think of Clinton as a market fundamentalist when he:

A. Championed a "managed competition" health care system that would be government financed in most ways
B. Stepped up environmental regulations, to the point of even signing the Kyoto treaty.
C. Expanded the Community Reinvestment Act.
D. Championed and signed the FMLA

That's off the top of my head. That's the record of a market realist, of someone who believes markets can create prosperity in some conditions but will not achieve acceptable outcomes on their own without regulation.
 
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