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“I’m one of the few people who can say he directed Trump. I directed Trump in [‘Celebrity’],” Allen recalled. “He was a pleasure to work with and a very good actor. He was very polite, hit his mark, did everything correctly and had a real flair for show business. I could direct him now. If he would let me direct him now that he’s president, I think I could do wonders.”

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Curious to want to associate with Woody Allen at this point or take this as a compliment, but ok.
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Pedophiles of a feather flock together.
 
altmin said:
The left tryign to absorb power from inept Labour in the UK

www.theguardian.com

‘We’re here to replace you,’ new Green leader Polanski tells Labour as he terms Starmer’s politics ‘despicable’ – UK politics live

Landslide winner of leadership election says migrants are backbone of UK and his party should not sell out patriotism to Farage
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This is what makes me most pessimistic about America's future, even if we're able to crush the Pubs in 2028. American political dynamics tend to lag about 4-8 years behind British dynamics. Brexit was in early 2020. We're at the Brexit stage now. But while Brexit destroyed the Tories, it also damaged the UK so much that traditional liberals don't seem to have any answers that could fix it (because it can't be fixed, at least in the short term). Thus, the more extreme elements are having their moment because the ordinary British people are so upset with the "normal" politicians on both sides.

This strikes me as highly likely to happen here if Dems win in 2028. The country will be so damaged that it won't be able to be fixed overnight. While the damage was caused 99% by the Pubs, the Dems will get the blame as people continue to struggle. And as in the UK, American extremist groups will gain traction because of the (perceived and/or actual) incompetence of the "mainstream" politicians.

I desperately hope the smartest liberal minds in the country are working on our own version of Project 2025. The difference, of course, being that the liberal plan will expand human liberty and economic fairness, whereas Project 2025 is all about imposing authoritarianism, ethnonationalism, and coercive policies that undermine the free market aspects of our economy. But if we win in 2028, Dems will need to hit the ground RUNNING, just as Trump 2.0 was able to do as a result of the groundwork that Vought and others did from 2021 to 2024. We must be able to show results quickly. Otherwise, we'll be in the same position Labour is in right now in September 2029.
 
altmin said:
The left tryign to absorb power from inept Labour in the UK

www.theguardian.com

‘We’re here to replace you,’ new Green leader Polanski tells Labour as he terms Starmer’s politics ‘despicable’ – UK politics live

Landslide winner of leadership election says migrants are backbone of UK and his party should not sell out patriotism to Farage
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Brexit was almost as dumb as UNC hiring Bill Belichick but if the UK goes full Farage now, knowing he was the Wormtongue of anti-immigrant sentiment and lies about how Brexit would make the British economy soooo much stronger, honestly God help them. We’ve got our own FAFO conman to deal with.
 
lawtig02 said:
This is what makes me most pessimistic about America's future, even if we're able to crush the Pubs in 2028. American political dynamics tend to lag about 4-8 years behind British dynamics. Brexit was in early 2020. We're at the Brexit stage now. But while Brexit destroyed the Tories, it also damaged the UK so much that traditional liberals don't seem to have any answers that could fix it (because it can't be fixed, at least in the short term). Thus, the more extreme elements are having their moment because the ordinary British people are so upset with the "normal" politicians on both sides.

This strikes me as highly likely to happen here if Dems win in 2028. The country will be so damaged that it won't be able to be fixed overnight. While the damage was caused 99% by the Pubs, the Dems will get the blame as people continue to struggle. And as in the UK, American extremist groups will gain traction because of the (perceived and/or actual) incompetence of the "mainstream" politicians.

I desperately hope the smartest liberal minds in the country are working on our own version of Project 2025. The difference, of course, being that the liberal plan will expand human liberty and economic fairness, whereas Project 2025 is all about imposing authoritarianism, ethnonationalism, and coercive policies that undermine the free market aspects of our economy. But if we win in 2028, Dems will need to hit the ground RUNNING, just as Trump 2.0 was able to do as a result of the groundwork that Vought and others did from 2021 to 2024. We must be able to show results quickly. Otherwise, we'll be in the same position Labour is in right now in September 2029.
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great points. not enough time and patience to undo the damage, and things start wobbling more extreme. It's like walking with a full glass of water. You have to stop every so often to let the wave action die down. You don't get the chance to pause in politics.
 
nycfan said:
Brexit was almost as dumb as UNC hiring Bill Belichick but if the UK goes full Farage now, knowing he was the Wormtongue of anti-immigrant sentiment and lies about how Brexit would make the British economy soooo much stronger, honestly God help them. We’ve got our own FAFO conman to deal with.
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The feeling in the UK is Farrage is inevitable. Then again in Canada the same feeling applied to Poilievre so....
 
lawtig02 said:
This is what makes me most pessimistic about America's future, even if we're able to crush the Pubs in 2028. American political dynamics tend to lag about 4-8 years behind British dynamics. Brexit was in early 2020. We're at the Brexit stage now. But while Brexit destroyed the Tories, it also damaged the UK so much that traditional liberals don't seem to have any answers that could fix it (because it can't be fixed, at least in the short term). Thus, the more extreme elements are having their moment because the ordinary British people are so upset with the "normal" politicians on both sides.

This strikes me as highly likely to happen here if Dems win in 2028. The country will be so damaged that it won't be able to be fixed overnight. While the damage was caused 99% by the Pubs, the Dems will get the blame as people continue to struggle. And as in the UK, American extremist groups will gain traction because of the (perceived and/or actual) incompetence of the "mainstream" politicians.

I desperately hope the smartest liberal minds in the country are working on our own version of Project 2025. The difference, of course, being that the liberal plan will expand human liberty and economic fairness, whereas Project 2025 is all about imposing authoritarianism and coercive elements that undermine the free market aspects of our economy. But if we win in 2028, Dems will need to hit the ground RUNNING, just as Trump 2.0 was able to do as a result of the groundwork that Vought and others did from 2021 to 2024. We must be able to show results quickly. Otherwise, we'll be in the same position Labour is in right now in September 2029.
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Liberals were absolutely in the political wilderness in this country from 1968 to 1992, and Clinton and Gore were hardly liberal even by 1992 standards (much less current standards), but they certainly paved the way for W.’s moderate “compassionate conservatism”, Obama and Biden — what MAGA (and a lot of independents) view as the Uniparty (I think they include GHWB in that).

Clinton dispatched with a lot of liberal orthodoxy to get elected in ‘92 (and even then only got about 43% of the vote but won an electoral landslide thanks to Ross Perot) and a lot of liberals felt betrayed by him pretty quickly. But he listened to a lot of what folks who are now MAGA said they cared about and actually responded to that.

Grocery prices were a HUGE deal in the 1992 election (which was during what turned out to be a relatively mild recession). At town halls, people asked Clinton about the price of staples like Milne and bread and he clearly knew. GHWB tried to counter with a trip to a grocery store, which was obviously a first for him as he was impressed by the scanner used at checkout. The contrast was obvious and the generational difference was also a huge factor.

But Clinton was a man with plans (and a willingness to stab anyone in the back to get ahead), so while the Dems took their lumps in the ‘94 election, by ‘96 he could point to positive economic change while the Pubs ran another geezer.

Anyway, I think the second great realignment of the two parties is still working itself out right now and I am not sure if the Democratic coalition of the highly educated (including politically homeless neocons) and various liberals with a gazillion different agendas can ever be a majority party again since no one is willing to compromise their pet issue. And the two issue rattling democracies all over the world right now are immigration (a rejection of liberal orthodoxy about multiculturalism) and inflation/economic issues — Democrats and liberals keep losing ground telling people they are wrong about immigration and don’t understand how good the economy is on paper.

So, yeah, I tend to think the liberal days in the wilderness have a long way to go yet. It is important to win skirmishes in the 2026 midterms to sustain some democratic processes for the future, but I think something profound would have to shift in the zeitgeist and in the ongoing party realignment for Dems to have electoral success in 2028 …
 
nycfan said:
Liberals were absolutely in the political wilderness in this country from 1968 to 1992, and Clinton and Gore were hardly liberal even by 1992 standards (much less current standards), but they certainly paved the way for W.’s moderate “compassionate conservatism”, Obama and Biden — what MAGA (and a lot of independents) view as the Uniparty (I think they include GHWB in that).

Clinton dispatched with a lot of liberal orthodoxy to get elected in ‘92 (and even then only got about 43% of the vote but won an electoral landslide thanks to Ross Perot) and a lot of liberals felt betrayed by him pretty quickly. But he listened to a lot of what folks who are now MAGA said they cared about and actually responded to that.

Grocery prices were a HUGE deal in the 1992 election (which was during what turned out to be a relatively mild recession). At town halls, people asked Clinton about the price of staples like Milne and bread and he clearly knew. GHWB tried to counter with a trip to a grocery store, which was obviously a first for him as he was impressed by the scanner used at checkout. The contrast was obvious and the generational difference was also a huge factor.

But Clinton was a man with plans (and a willingness to stab anyone in the back to get ahead), so while the Dems took their lumps in the ‘94 election, by ‘96 he could point to positive economic change while the Pubs ran another geezer.

Anyway, I think the second great realignment of the two parties is still working itself out right now and I am not sure if the Democratic coalition of the highly educated (including politically homeless neocons) and various liberals with a gazillion different agendas can ever be a majority party again since no one is willing to compromise their pet issue. And the two issue rattling democracies all over the world right now are immigration (a rejection of liberal orthodoxy about multiculturalism) and inflation/economic issues — Democrats and liberals keep losing ground telling people they are wrong about immigration and don’t understand how good the economy is on paper.

So, yeah, I tend to think the liberal days in the wilderness have a long way to go yet. It is important to win skirmishes in the 2026 midterms to sustain some democratic processes for the future, but I think something profound would have to shift in the zeitgeist and in the ongoing party realignment for Dems to have electoral success in 2028 …
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[Surprise - Trump is lying here but the numbers are bad enough it is an easy exaggeration that is politically poisonous for Democrats to defend with just “it’s not soooo bad”]

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nycfan said:
Liberals were absolutely in the political wilderness in this country from 1968 to 1992, and Clinton and Gore were hardly liberal even by 1992 standards (much less current standards), but they certainly paved the way for W.’s moderate “compassionate conservatism”, Obama and Biden — what MAGA (and a lot of independents) view as the Uniparty (I think they include GHWB in that).

Clinton dispatched with a lot of liberal orthodoxy to get elected in ‘92 (and even then only got about 43% of the vote but won an electoral landslide thanks to Ross Perot) and a lot of liberals felt betrayed by him pretty quickly. But he listened to a lot of what folks who are now MAGA said they cared about and actually responded to that.

Grocery prices were a HUGE deal in the 1992 election (which was during what turned out to be a relatively mild recession). At town halls, people asked Clinton about the price of staples like Milne and bread and he clearly knew. GHWB tried to counter with a trip to a grocery store, which was obviously a first for him as he was impressed by the scanner used at checkout. The contrast was obvious and the generational difference was also a huge factor.

But Clinton was a man with plans (and a willingness to stab anyone in the back to get ahead), so while the Dems took their lumps in the ‘94 election, by ‘96 he could point to positive economic change while the Pubs ran another geezer.

Anyway, I think the second great realignment of the two parties is still working itself out right now and I am not sure if the Democratic coalition of the highly educated (including politically homeless neocons) and various liberals with a gazillion different agendas can ever be a majority party again since no one is willing to compromise their pet issue. And the two issue rattling democracies all over the world right now are immigration (a rejection of liberal orthodoxy about multiculturalism) and inflation/economic issues — Democrats and liberals keep losing ground telling people they are wrong about immigration and don’t understand how good the economy is on paper.

So, yeah, I tend to think the liberal days in the wilderness have a long way to go yet. It is important to win skirmishes in the 2026 midterms to sustain some democratic processes for the future, but I think something profound would have to shift in the zeitgeist and in the ongoing party realignment for Dems to have electoral success in 2028 …
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God, I hate to agree with this, but I do. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that MAGA and what passes as modern "conservatism" is a tragic disaster for this country. But I do not have much confidence at all in whatever has the chance to replace it.
 
This series of posts right here is a great example of why immigration is an impossible issue for the fact-based community right now:

 
Another example of how the Trump Administration and the far right are succeeding at cloaking so many battles in purported opposition to antisemitism:

 


“… Go ahead, tell me another issue that has cracked the red-blue divide like Haidt’s crusade against smartphones in The Anxious Generation or name another book that has so quickly led to far-reaching reforms, such as banning phones in schools.

“Everyone is a parent, everyone has kids, that’s it — everyone sees this,” Haidt told me, by way of explaining why his work has unified policymakers of every stripe.

The statistics speak for themselves.

… 39 states now have some sort of phone restrictions in schools, and 18 states and Washington, D.C. have bell-to-bell bans — which ban phones for the entire school day — according to Haidt. After the next legislative sessions, which in many state capitols begin after the new year, more states are sure to enact full bans. The issue has rallied conservatives and liberals, and its potency with parents has largely steamrolled libertarian objections and big tech lobbying….”
 
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