CURRENT EVENTS

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ZenMode said:
As with anything else, we generally have no idea who is/isn't lying. None of us has first-hand info on any of the events we hear about from the media. The media doesn't have first-hand info either, so all we have is deciding what seems more/less reasonable and more/less likely to be true.
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Since the administration lies and distorts as their first option, their credibility is in last place. Seems Biblical somehow.
 
ZenMode said:
As with anything else, we generally have no idea who is/isn't lying. None of us has first-hand info on any of the events we hear about from the media. The media doesn't have first-hand info either, so all we have is deciding what seems more/less reasonable and more/less likely to be true.
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That is all reasonable, except that most reasonable people would also factor the speaker's track record of proven falsehoods into making their own judgments about what is likely to be true or false.
 
rodoheel said:
That is all reasonable, except that most reasonable people would also factor the speaker's track record of proven falsehoods into making their own judgments about what is likely to be true or false.
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If you're talking about Trump, yes, he's the most prolific liar in history of the Presidency.

Beyond that, it's really a topic by topic/ person by person / situation by situation decision.

Also, who you believe is generally structured by your politics because your politics generally determines your news sources.
 
ZenMode said:
If you're talking about Trump, yes, he's the most prolific liar in history of the Presidency.

Beyond that, it's really a topic by topic/ person by person / situation by situation decision.

Also, who you believe is generally structured by your politics because your politics generally determines your news sources.
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And researchers find that people who use rightwing sources are more likely to have mistaken and often wildly inaccurate views on crime rates numbers and facts in general. You know this and you chose your path. People who mistake you for an idiot should realize you're a fool, intentional or not.
 
ZenMode said:
If you're talking about Trump, yes, he's the most prolific liar in history of the Presidency.

Beyond that, it's really a topic by topic/ person by person / situation by situation decision.

Also, who you believe is generally structured by your politics because your politics generally determines your news sources.
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Yes, we are very obviously talking about the Trump admin - who else would we be talking about? The stooges and yes-men (and yes-woman) whom Trump appoints and entrusts with largely fictional authority are indistinguishable from Trump. To pretend otherwise is simply foolish. Have you not watched the televised cabinet meetings when everyone goes around in a circle to see who can suck up to Trump the hardest? Everyone who works in the administration has tied their credibility directly to Trump. It is laughable if you are trying to suggest that the proven history of Trumps falsehoods should not be taken into account when considering the trustworthiness of the people working for him. Especially when the administration has repeatedly made perfectly clear that the #1 qualification to work in the current Trump administration is total support of and obsequiousness towards Trump.

As to the last part - you are right to an extent but your statement incorrectly implies that all news sources are equally problematic when it comes to bias or trustworthiness. In fact some news sources are much less fact-based than others, some are much more biased (in either direction) than others, and some are both of those things.
 
finesse said:
And researchers find that people who use rightwing sources are more likely to have mistaken and often wildly inaccurate views on crime rates numbers and facts in general. You know this and you chose your path. People who mistake you for an idiot should realize you're a fool, intentional or not.
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I choose my path because every news source... EVERY single one... frames things a specific way. There is no truly objective news source and those that try to be objective are still getting second hand, third or fourth hand information from people who generally are not inclined to be objective.
 
ZenMode said:
Also, who you believe is generally structured by your politics because your politics generally determines your news sources.
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No. Who right-wingers believe is structured by their politics. They are the ones who lie constantly. Every one of the GOP in Congress lies incessantly. There is no parallel to that on the left, or really at any other time in American history.

Who I believe is structured by whether they tell the truth. You still can't get it through your neanderthal skull that some people have knowledge and independent mental capacity outside "the media."
 
rodoheel said:
Yes, we are very obviously talking about the Trump admin - who else would we be talking about? The stooges and yes-men (and yes-woman) whom Trump appoints and entrusts with largely fictional authority are indistinguishable from Trump. To pretend otherwise is simply foolish. Have you not watched the televised cabinet meetings when everyone goes around in a circle to see who can suck up to Trump the hardest? Everyone who works in the administration has tied their credibility directly to Trump.
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Are you saying that Trump didn't save college football? And that he's not 10x more qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize than any candidate in history.
 
ZenMode said:
Feds intercept 1,300 barrels of meth precursor chemicals shipped from China to Mexico
Federal officials made a high-seas interception of hundreds of thousands of pounds of two different precursor chemicals that are used to make methamphetamine, a shipment they say came from China and was destined for the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico.

Jeanine Pirro, United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, announced what officials called the largest ever bust of precursor chemicals being shipped to a foreign terrorist organization during a news conference in Pasadena, Texas, on Wednesday.

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Why didn't they blow it up and kill everyone on board?
 
rodoheel said:
Yes, we are very obviously talking about the Trump admin - who else would we be talking about? The stooges and yes-men (and yes-woman) whom Trump appoints and entrusts with largely fictional authority are indistinguishable from Trump. To pretend otherwise is simply foolish. Have you not watched the televised cabinet meetings when everyone goes around in a circle to see who can suck up to Trump the hardest? Everyone who works in the administration has tied their credibility directly to Trump. It is laughable if you are trying to suggest that the proven history of Trumps falsehoods should not be taken into account when considering the trustworthiness of the people working for him. Especially when the administration has repeatedly made perfectly clear that the #1 qualification to work in the current Trump administration is total support of and obsequiousness towards Trump.
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rodoheel said:
As to the last part - you are right to an extent but your statement incorrectly implies that all news sources are equally problematic when it comes to bias or trustworthiness. In fact some news sources are much less fact-based than others, some are much more biased (in either direction) than others, and some are both of those things.
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I agree that some "news" sources are more problematic. Most of what is on Fox News are opinion shows, not news shows. I don't know how/if you differentiate between the two.

This is a big topic with a lot of moving parts. It's impossible to generalize and be accurate. It really is a car by case, claim by claim thing.
 
superrific said:
No. Who right-wingers believe is structured by their politics. They are the ones who lie constantly. Every one of the GOP in Congress lies incessantly. There is no parallel to that on the left, or really at any other time in American history.

Who I believe is structured by whether they tell the truth. You still can't get it through your neanderthal skull that some people have knowledge and independent mental capacity outside "the media."
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Says the guy who just stated DEFINITIVELY that the chemicals absolutely were not going to Mexican cartels for drugs.

What is your source for THAT specific claim?
 
uncjhodges said:
where did he say that?
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ZenMode said:
Feds intercept 1,300 barrels of meth precursor chemicals shipped from China to Mexico
Federal officials made a high-seas interception of hundreds of thousands of pounds of two different precursor chemicals that are used to make methamphetamine, a shipment they say came from China and was destined for the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico.

Jeanine Pirro, United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, announced what officials called the largest ever bust of precursor chemicals being shipped to a foreign terrorist organization during a news conference in Pasadena, Texas, on Wednesday...
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superrific said:
Again, why would you believe anything they say? It's all a lie.
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Wait, are you saying DC wasn't transformed from a murder infested shithole (where the residents cowered in their homes after dark) into a renaissance city where people could finally leave their homes and the crime rate dropped to zero (including jaywalking and the like) literally overnight? B/c that is basically how it was presented by Trump and his guzzlers...
 
superrific said:
English, motherfucker! Do you speak it? Then you know what I'm saying:

" Could they have been destined for meth labs? Maybe."
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I do, which is why I said what I said.

But, since you think you're so smart, how about you tell me what "It's all a lie" means in YOUR version of English, motherfucker.
 
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