Daily Beast: RFK to ban covid-19 vaccine soon

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farce© said:
ZenMode's goal isn't to be right.
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Not always.
farce© said:
His goal is to piss you off and goad you into responding to his bullshit. It feeds his need to be contrarian and disruptive. Any response is a win for him.
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My goal, in this case, is to point out that trusting Daily Beast and unnamed sources isn't generally a good idea.

How many Democrats, because of crappy sources and information, do you think believe RFK was actually planning to ban the Covid vaccines? I bet it's a lot.

How many of those same Democrats have ever seen the quote from RFK I posted above, where he specifically says he's not going to take vaccines away? I'd bet it's significantly less.

If bringing accurate details to light pisses someone off, should I feel bad? What? You're mad because RFK doesn't plan to ban the Covid vaccines? 🤷‍♂️
 
ZenMode said:
Not always.

My goal, in this case, is to point out that trusting Daily Beast and unnamed sources isn't generally a good idea.

How many Democrats, because of crappy sources and information, do you think believe RFK was actually planning to ban the Covid vaccines? I bet it's a lot.

How many of those same Democrats have ever seen the quote from RFK I posted above, where he specifically says he's not going to take vaccines away? I'd bet it's significantly less.
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Do you think quotes from RFK, Jr about his intentions are credible?
 
Calheel said:
Then you are very naive.

He has repeatedly lied about his intentions and repeatedly denied saying things that are on tape. He lies almost as often as Trump.
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Also lied about what happened on Samoa. And the measles outbreaks in the US. And denied saying that he said black kids need to be reparented.

He told Bill Cassidy he wouldn't do things that he did. Cassidy was so frustrated with him that he called him into the Senate and asked him tough questions. Which is actually a temper tantrum from a Senator re: Trump. Yes, they are all jellyfish.

Zen is like a guy who tries to escape the matrix but gets stuck halfway out of his pod.
 
Calheel said:
Then you are very naive.

He has repeatedly lied about his intentions and repeatedly denied saying things that are on tape. He lies almost as often as Trump.
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Do you have examples because, a few minutes ago, you probably would have been among those who believed that he "intended" to ban the Covid vaccines, despite specifically saying the opposite and despite the fact that the Covid vaccines remains available to anyone who wants it.
 
ZenMode said:
The CDC not recommending the Covid vaccines isn't "banning" it.
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The federal government banning funding for RNA vaccines, spewing lies and conspiracy theories about the vaccines and attempting to make them as hard as possible to get are steps to a de facto ban on them.
 
ZenMode said:
Do you have examples because, a few minutes ago, you probably would have been among those who believed that he "intended" to ban the Covid vaccines, despite specifically saying the opposite and despite the fact that the Covid vaccines remains available to anyone who wants it.
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letmegooglethat.com

Examples Of Rfk, Jr. Lying

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Examples of rfk, jr. lying' themselves.
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ZenMode said:
Do you have examples because, a few minutes ago, you probably would have been among those who believed that he "intended" to ban the Covid vaccines, despite specifically saying the opposite and despite the fact that the Covid vaccines remains available to anyone who wants it.
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And here are some more from Claude. After this, you have to do the work:

The fact-check sources I cited are all publicly available — here are the direct links:


  1. FactCheck.org – RFK Jr. archiveRobert F. Kennedy Jr. Archives - FactCheck.org
  2. Annenberg Public Policy Center – Vaccines, Autism, and COVID-19Fact-checking Presidential Candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., on Vaccines, Autism, and Covid-19 | The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
  3. PBS NewsHour – Debunking RFK Jr.'s contradictory statementsDebunking some of RFK Jr.’s contradictory statements
  4. ABC News – Fact-checking RFK Jr.'s Senate testimonyFact-checking RFK Jr.'s testimony during Thursday's hearing
  5. PolitiFact – RFK Jr. fact-check listFact-checks | PolitiFact
  6. Washington Post – 10 RFK Jr. conspiracy theories and false claimshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-views-conspiracies-false-claims/

The Washington Post and ABC News links may be paywalled. PolitiFact and FactCheck.org are fully free.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The federal government banning funding for RNA vaccines, spewing lies and conspiracy theories about the vaccines and attempting to make them as hard as possible to get are steps to a de facto ban on them.
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The mRNA vaccine technology seems to be doing ok. The COVID-19 mRNA vaccine was developed in a couple of days. There are also traditional vaccines.

The grocery store by my house is advertising COVID vaccines, so the cutting of funding doesn't seem to be hurting availability and not in any way banned.
 
Calheel said:
And here are some more from Claude. After this, you have to do the work:

The fact-check sources I cited are all publicly available — here are the direct links:


  1. FactCheck.org – RFK Jr. archiveRobert F. Kennedy Jr. Archives - FactCheck.org
  2. Annenberg Public Policy Center – Vaccines, Autism, and COVID-19Fact-checking Presidential Candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., on Vaccines, Autism, and Covid-19 | The Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
  3. PBS NewsHour – Debunking RFK Jr.'s contradictory statementsDebunking some of RFK Jr.’s contradictory statements
  4. ABC News – Fact-checking RFK Jr.'s Senate testimonyFact-checking RFK Jr.'s testimony during Thursday's hearing
  5. PolitiFact – RFK Jr. fact-check listFact-checks | PolitiFact
  6. Washington Post – 10 RFK Jr. conspiracy theories and false claimshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/11/15/rfk-jr-views-conspiracies-false-claims/

The Washington Post and ABC News links may be paywalled. PolitiFact and FactCheck.org are fully free.
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We should probably differentiate between lying and being wrong. If he said "I'm not going to ban the Covid vaccines" and the Covid vaccines is banned under him, that would be a lie. His views on autism and mRNA vaccines, among other things, are wrong, but I have no reason to think he's lying about his beliefs.
 
ZenMode said:
We should probably differentiate between lying and being wrong. If he said "I'm not going to ban the Covid vaccines" and the Covid vaccines is banned under him, that would be a lie. His views on autism and mRNA vaccines, among other things, are wrong, but I have no reason to think he's lying about his beliefs.
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The word that I used was precisely chosen - lying.
 
Kennedy repeatedly lying about Samoa. Remember: dozens of kids died because of this.

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Newly obtained emails undermine RFK Jr.'s testimony about 2019 Samoa trip before measles outbreak

Documents obtained by The Guardian and The Associated Press undermine Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s testimony during his Senate confirmation hearings that the 2019 trip he took to Samoa before a devastating measles outbreak had “nothing to do with vaccines.”
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Here he is lying about the lie he told Bill Cassidy:

schrier.house.gov

Democrat tells RFK Jr.: ‘You lied to Sen. Cassidy’

Rep. Kim Schrier (D-Wash.) accused Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. of lying to Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) when he told the senator he would maintain a key federal vaccine advisory committee “without changes.”
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ZenMode said:
The mRNA vaccine technology seems to be doing ok. The COVID-19 mRNA vaccine was developed in a couple of days. There are also traditional vaccines.

The grocery store by my house is advertising COVID vaccines, so the cutting of funding doesn't seem to be hurting availability and not in any way banned.
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If you had paid any attention over the past few months, you’d know that RFK’s attacks on MRNA vaccine development have decimated that field of science.

Anyways, the swimming pool by my house is open so I guess all this talk about us being in a drought is nonsense.
 
ZenMode said:
We should probably differentiate between lying and being wrong. If he said "I'm not going to ban the Covid vaccines" and the Covid vaccines is banned under him, that would be a lie. His views on autism and mRNA vaccines, among other things, are wrong, but I have no reason to think he's lying about his beliefs.
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He is a confirmed serial liar. This is not up for debate.
 
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