Did you write papers in high school? [Added: Special Accommodations?]

I wrote a term paper or two and several small papers.

Not a senior thesis.

It was so much harder then, going to the library and lugging home multiple books, keeping notes from each, with the information for the citation.

The ease of information availability now days, when my kids were writing papers in school it was so much easier.
 
I went to a high school that was all about preparing us for college so we wrote a decent number of papers. No senior thesis though. I and most of the folks I went to high school with thought high school was much more rigorous than college.
College was so much harder for me.

I pretty much slept through high school and only did the minimum to graduate. I so wish I had known how much it would help me in life had I studied and really learned to study.
 
Back in the day I wrote many HS papers and papers at UNC.

My HS English teacher taught us how to write a paper which served me well at UNC.

1 ) Tell the reader what you are going to tell them, then
2 ) Tell them what you are telling them, then
3 ) Tell them what you told them

the secret to writing a perfect paper/essay...
Allegedly advice from Aristotle, a student of Socrates. To paraphrase "The Godfather," "Leave the hemlock, take the writing advice."
 
In high school when writing papers, I always had "Warriner's English Grammar and Composition," 1965 edition by my side. I inherited it from my older brother and even wrote my name in the book as closely mimicking the way my brother did as I could. I also had a copy of Strunk & White's "The Elements of Style," that I frequently consulted. I even made Xerox copies of Chapter 10, Glossery of Usage, from Warriner's book that I stapled to the back cover of "The Elements of Style." While I am retired, I have a desk in my home and both these books are within arm's reach of my where I sit when writing something on my computer.
"The Elements of Style" was definitely an important resource required by my high school teachers
 
Anybody have any idea whether or not your own kids are writing papers and learning these things?

Of course I ask because I am encountering increasing numbers of students who seem to have written a reasonable amount but without having had it corrected nor had the rules of grammar and punctuation brought to bear on their work.

Perhaps it is Covid...Freshmen and Sophomores in college today were at that parallel stage (9th and 10th) grade during the pandemic.

This also brings me to a discussion that maybe belongs in the War on Universities thread but can go here just as well and that is Special Accommodations.

These days an increasing number of students receive several testing permissions. This generally comes after applying and undergoing a testing/review process. The most common are:

1) Extra Time for Taking a Test
2) Test-taking in an environment that suits the student
3) Availability of Study Guides at least a week ahead of time
4) Special dispensation for missing classes (no penalty)
5) Special dispensation for leaving a class (and returning) that is in session (no penalty)
6) Special dispensation to use electronics (laptops or other devices)

From my point of view this has essentially eliminated the Pop Quiz or any unannounced activities that might cause stress or anxiety. There are ways of dealing with this, i.e., work-arounds, but they require creativity.
 
We definitely wrote papers in high school that involved quoting, footnotes, bibliography, opening paragraph with a thesis statement, body of paper, closing paragraph, etc.

We started in 9th grade in a combined history and English class. The outstanding teacher, Tony Yount at Phillips Junior High, required a lengthy paper (10-20 pages typed, specific margins, grammar and spelling mattered) at the end of the year.

The AP History teacher at Chapel Hill High in 1977-1980 sucked. He was lazy. He’d return papers 20-30+ days after we turned them in…..rumors are that he only read the opening paragraph, maybe the 1st sentence of each other paragraph, and the closing paragraph. He barely commented on any papers.

Another history teacher, the great Mrs. Clayton, assigned 2 papers a week. Due on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. No late papers. Late meant a zero. If she hadn’t graded the Tuesday papers by Friday, you didn’t have to turn the Friday paper in. She had always graded the previous paper. And your paper ALWAYS had copious amounts of red ink on it!

The wonderful Diane Shaw taught English. I had her for SO English, a semester of Shakespeare, a semester of Literature of the American West, and AP English. She definitely assigned a lot of writing and she marked up a paper with a lot of red ink.
 
I went to a small private HS out of state a long time ago - writing was emphasized including 'writing camp' in the summer.

Now, in Chapel Hill/Carrboro schools they seem to be aligning writing assignments with AP exam prep. Mostly templated, timed, etc. The impact of LLMs is still being worked out it seems - some kids have home access to paid versions (5.1 pro) that the teachers may not have.

On the other hand with the new block schedule kids can get way ahead in certain subjects if they can arrange alternative classes - math or foreign languages.
 
I went to a small private HS out of state a long time ago - writing was emphasized including 'writing camp' in the summer.

Now, in Chapel Hill/Carrboro schools they seem to be aligning writing assignments with AP exam prep. Mostly templated, timed, etc. The impact of LLMs is still being worked out it seems - some kids have home access to paid versions (5.1 pro) that the teachers may not have.

On the other hand with the new block schedule kids can get way ahead in certain subjects if they can arrange alternative classes - math or foreign languages.

Tell me a bit about the block schedule...
 
Tell me a bit about the block schedule...
They now have 4 semester long classes X2 instead of 7 year long classes. So by using electives on the next class in a series the kids can go twice as fast on select subjects.

So e.g., you can take pre-Calc and BC Calc in the same year (Fall then Spring) or AP English or Spanish Lang and Lit in the same year.

They then run out of classes and need to go to UNC (not free) or find on-line options.
 
Anybody have any idea whether or not your own kids are writing papers and learning these things?

Of course I ask because I am encountering increasing numbers of students who seem to have written a reasonable amount but without having had it corrected nor had the rules of grammar and punctuation brought to bear on their work.

Perhaps it is Covid...Freshmen and Sophomores in college today were at that parallel stage (9th and 10th) grade during the pandemic.

This also brings me to a discussion that maybe belongs in the War on Universities thread but can go here just as well and that is Special Accommodations.

These days an increasing number of students receive several testing permissions. This generally comes after applying and undergoing a testing/review process. The most common are:

1) Extra Time for Taking a Test
2) Test-taking in an environment that suits the student
3) Availability of Study Guides at least a week ahead of time
4) Special dispensation for missing classes (no penalty)
5) Special dispensation for leaving a class (and returning) that is in session (no penalty)
6) Special dispensation to use electronics (laptops or other devices)

From my point of view this has essentially eliminated the Pop Quiz or any unannounced activities that might cause stress or anxiety. There are ways of dealing with this, i.e., work-arounds, but they require creativity.
My son has ADHD, and despite medication, benefits greatly from the extended time for testing and alternative testing environment.

As someone who tested exceptionally well, I always believed standardized tests measured how well you take standardized tests, and otherwise are pretty useless.
 
Anybody have any idea whether or not your own kids are writing papers and learning these things?

Of course I ask because I am encountering increasing numbers of students who seem to have written a reasonable amount but without having had it corrected nor had the rules of grammar and punctuation brought to bear on their work.

Perhaps it is Covid...Freshmen and Sophomores in college today were at that parallel stage (9th and 10th) grade during the pandemic.

This also brings me to a discussion that maybe belongs in the War on Universities thread but can go here just as well and that is Special Accommodations.

These days an increasing number of students receive several testing permissions. This generally comes after applying and undergoing a testing/review process. The most common are:

1) Extra Time for Taking a Test
2) Test-taking in an environment that suits the student
3) Availability of Study Guides at least a week ahead of time
4) Special dispensation for missing classes (no penalty)
5) Special dispensation for leaving a class (and returning) that is in session (no penalty)
6) Special dispensation to use electronics (laptops or other devices)

From my point of view this has essentially eliminated the Pop Quiz or any unannounced activities that might cause stress or anxiety. There are ways of dealing with this, i.e., work-arounds, but they require creativity.
My daughters graduated high school 8-10 years ago. They wrote some papers; but, they weren’t having to rigorously footnote.
 
Thank you
They now have 4 semester long classes X2 instead of 7 year long classes. So by using electives on the next class in a series the kids can go twice as fast on select subjects.

So e.g., you can take pre-Calc and BC Calc in the same year (Fall then Spring) or AP English or Spanish Lang and Lit in the same year.

They then run out of classes and need to go to UNC (not free) or find on-line options.
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My son has ADHD, and despite medication, benefits greatly from the extended time for testing and alternative testing environment.

As someone who tested exceptionally well, I always believed standardized tests measured how well you take standardized tests, and otherwise are pretty useless.

I've changed all of my testing protocols to work with special accommodations pretty much effortlessly (the only real challenge is the Week Ahead Of Time clause). I've long been an advocate for these students though I have to say that sometimes other teachers disappoint me.
 
In re: Pop Quizzes. I liked pop quizzes. The reason I liked them was because I believed they leveled the playing field between me and "the girls" in class. By "the girls," what I mean are those incredibly smart and even more incredibly hard working female students who inevitably kicked my butt in any academic endeavor. The only chance I stood against these teen-aged Madam Curies were pop quizzes where they generally felt wrong footed because they had not gotten everything organized to the last comma and period. Whereas I viewed pop quizzes as a chance at something where I couldn't be out-studied or out-prepared. The National Honor Society in my high school appeared, auf einen blick, as if it were some sort of sorority.
 
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We had to write papers, but the best thing I got out of high school English in our midsize high school in little ol' Wilson is that we spent probably a month in each grade reading a Shakespeare play. Wrote my senior paper on Iago. I'm not sure if they even teach Shakespeare at the college level anymore. Or not much, anyway...
 
We had to write papers, but the best thing I got out of high school English in our midsize high school in little ol' Wilson is that we spent probably a month in each grade reading a Shakespeare play. Wrote my senior paper on Iago. I'm not sure if they even teach Shakespeare at the college level anymore. Or not much, anyway...


We have had a very classics (extended definition to include the world) at my school for over 50 years. Basically getting rid of it beginning next Fall.
 
This should be a free read from The Atlantic. If not then message me and I'll get you the text.

Accommodation Nation

Here is the conclusion...

"Most of the disability advocates I spoke with are more troubled by the students who are still not getting the accommodations they need than by the risk of people exploiting the system. They argue that fraud is rare, and stress that some universities maintain stringent documentation requirements. “I would rather open up access to the five kids who need accommodations but can’t afford documentation, and maybe there’s one person who has paid for an evaluation and they really don’t need it,” Emily Tarconish, a special-education teaching-assistant professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, told me. “That’s worth it to me.”

Tarconish sees the growing number of students receiving accommodations as evidence that the system is working. Ella Callow, the assistant vice chancellor of disability rights at Berkeley, had a similar perspective. “I don’t think of it as a downside, no matter how many students with disabilities show up,” she told me. “Disabled people still are deeply underemployed in this country and too often live in poverty. The key to addressing that is in large part through institutions like Berkeley that make it part of our mission to lift people into security.” (One-third of the students registered with Berkeley’s disability office are from low-income families.) At the University of Chicago, members of a committee to address the surge in accommodations don’t even agree on whether a problem exists, Collar told me.


The surge itself is undeniable. Soon, some schools may have more students receiving accommodations than not, a scenario that would have seemed absurd just a decade ago. Already, at one law school, 45 percent of students receive academic accommodations. Paul Graham Fisher, a Stanford professor who served as co-chair of the university’s disability task force, told me, “I have had conversations with people in the Stanford administration. They’ve talked about at what point can we say no? What if it hits 50 or 60 percent? At what point do you just say ‘We can’t do this’?” This year, 38 percent of Stanford undergraduates are registered as having a disability; in the fall quarter, 24 percent of undergraduates were receiving academic or housing accommodations.

Mark Schneider, the former head of the educational-research arm of the Department of Education, told me that three of his four grandkids have “individualized education programs,” the term of art for accommodations at the K–12 level. “The reward for saying that you have a disability, versus the stigma—the balance between those two things has so radically changed,” he said. Were it not for that shift, he added, his grandchildren may not be receiving benefits and services they need. But at the very least, the rewards are not evenly distributed. As more elite students get accommodations, the system worsens the problem it was designed to solve. The ADA was supposed to make college more equitable. Instead, accommodations have become another way for the most privileged students to press their advantage."
 
We had to write papers, but the best thing I got out of high school English in our midsize high school in little ol' Wilson is that we spent probably a month in each grade reading a Shakespeare play. Wrote my senior paper on Iago. I'm not sure if they even teach Shakespeare at the college level anymore. Or not much, anyway...
When I was in high school, one teacher always insisted on us reading and studying Spakespeare plays in the original Elizabethan English. Her explanation was that Shakespeare had and still does have such an enormous impact on the English language as it exists everywhere in the world, being exposed to what she believed was the common baseline for all the varieties was one of the most important things we could learn in high school. I think she was right. But I suppose Google AI will have the last word on that.
 
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