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Diddy verdict is in

I’m not well-versed enough in the law to know whether he’ll ultimately face jail time.

Regardless, when he is free someday will almost certainly experience a kind of ‘social death’—excluded from serious business circles and publicly discredited in a way that lingers far beyond any legal consequence. He’s persona non grata
 
I don't think the jury understood the case. After yesterday, I assumed they had reached guilty on the four lesser charges and were deadlocked as to the top charge. I think pretty much everyone assumed that, which is why Diddy was so glum yesterday. It doesn't make sense to find guilty on the top charge without finding that he engaged in sex trafficking. Well, that's the surface level view at least. I didn't follow any of the evidence in the case at all.
 
superrific said:
I don't think the jury understood the case. After yesterday, I assumed they had reached guilty on the four lesser charges and were deadlocked as to the top charge. I think pretty much everyone assumed that, which is why Diddy was so glum yesterday. It doesn't make sense to find guilty on the top charge without finding that he engaged in sex trafficking. Well, that's the surface level view at least. I didn't follow any of the evidence in the case at all.
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I have very unfortunately come to the conclusion that if the questions presented are even remotely complicated, almost all juries decide the case without actually understanding it.
 
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He faces up to 20 years on the two Mann act convictions. He did go to trial. Anyone have any guesses of what if any jail time he might face?
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I would guess 1-5 years but will he be out on appeal first? He will likely appeal due to the first note from the jury about failure to follow the rules and then maybe a claim that what they will allege was government overcharge with RICO and forced sex trafficking biased the jury to convict on the two lowest charges. I haven’t followed it all that closely though, so not sure if there are other technicalities they may challenge — but I am no criminal (or even trial) lawyer, so am speculating like everyone else here.
 
nycfan said:
I would guess 1-5 years but will he be out on appeal first? He will likely appeal due to the first note from the jury about failure to follow the rules and then maybe a claim that what they will allege was government overcharge with RICO and forced sex trafficking biased the jury to convict on the two lowest charges. I haven’t followed it all that closely though, so not sure if there are other technicalities they may challenge — but I am no criminal (or even trial) lawyer, so am speculating like everyone else here.
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If he wasn't given bond up until now, why would he be given bond for appeal?
 
What is the bar to meet sex trafficking and racketeering?

As a casual observer and non-lawyer those seemed like a reach

At least the racketeering piece. Maybe the sex trafficking was more clear cut
 
I haven't followed the case that closely. But I have seen legal experts comment on it that have and have read or were in court for all of it. The prosecutors had an extremely tough case to sell. At the heart of it was his girlfriend, the one seen being kicked and beaten by Diddy, and also the one used and shared by many during the "freakoffs."

Though she clearly did not want or like being beaten, and probably got tired of being passed around and used during the orgies, she clearly was accepting of it for all the money and fame it got her.

I'm not defending the piece of shit. But he wasn't charged with assault. And later and after the fact, the defense had lots of evidence of her personal notes and messages to Diddy telling him she loved the freak offs, and that she loved him completely. That was all AFTER the prosecutions evidence against Diddy. I think she was completely fine with it for the perks, money, and fame, and it was her choice. Then she started to get cut off or something else happened, and she found another or better way to profit. She made choices.

People make bad choices all the time for money, fame, and power. Are you going to feel sorry for the spineless Pubs that go along with Trump and enable him, when their defense is. "I had to, I would have been primaried if I didn't. There was racketeering going on in the party, and threats against me, I had NO choice but to do what Trump wanted. I feared for my future and my family."
 
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Kraftyheel89 said:
I haven't followed the case that closely. But I have seen legal experts comment on it that have and have read or were in court for all of it. The prosecutors had an extremely tough case to sell. At the heart of it was his girlfriend, the one seen being kicked and beaten by Diddy, and also the one used and shared by many during the "freakoffs."

Though she clearly did not want or like being beaten, and probably got tired of being passed around and used during the orgies, she clearly was accepting of it for all the money and fame it got her.

I'm not defending the piece of shit. But he wasn't charged with assault. And later and after the fact, the defense had lots of evidence of her personal notes and messages to Diddy telling him she loved the freak offs, and that she loved him completely. That was all AFTER the prosecutions evidence against Diddy. I think she was completely fine with it for the perks, money, and fame, and it was her choice. Then she started to get cut off or something else happened, and she found another or better way to profit. She made choices.
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Like I said. Sex workers aren't actually people. Once they consent to do anything there is no limit to what you can do to them. This jury felt the same way as Krafty
 
superrific said:
If he wasn't given bond up until now, why would he be given bond for appeal?
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Seems highly unlikely, but there are two circumstances where it might happen, none of which I think apply here:
(1) There is a reasonable likelihood that the court will sentence him to a probationary sentence; or
(2) there is a reasonable likelihood that the amount of time he has spent in custody would exceed or be equal to the sentence he would receive.

My guess is that his sentence will exceed the amount of time he has already served by a pretty good bit.
 
StrangePackage said:
Like I said. Sex workers aren't actually people. Once they consent to do anything there is no limit to what you can do to them. This jury felt the same way as Krafty
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Was she a sex worker or his girlfriend? I do know there were prostitutes brought in for the orgies (a misdemeanor) unless always in Nevada. Was there evidence of abuse or conspiracy against them? I honestly don't know and did not think so. I am pretty sure the girlfriend was the heart of the prosecutions case.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Was she a sex worker or his girlfriend? I do know there were prostitutes brought in for the orgies (a misdemeanor) unless always in Nevada. Was there evidence of abuse or conspiracy against them? I honestly don't know and did not think so. I am pretty sure the girlfriend was the heart of the prosecutions case.
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I think that when your argument rests on the fact that she was compensated for participating in these actions, and tried to assuage the concerns of the powerful psychotic man pimping her to his friends and beating her that she was loyal and not at all unhappy, then the line between "girlfriend" and sex worker to be a distinction with no difference.

Your mileage may vary.
 
When I said she stuck with him for the money, power, and fame, I did not mean he paid her like an escort. She enjoyed the lifestyle, much like Melania Trump and Jordon, Belichick's girlfriend.

The woman dated Diddy for several years. You are twisting the story to fit your narrative Strange.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Was she a sex worker or his girlfriend? I do know there were prostitutes brought in for the orgies (a misdemeanor) unless always in Nevada. Was there evidence of abuse or conspiracy against them? I honestly don't know and did not think so. I am pretty sure the girlfriend was the heart of the prosecutions case.
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I think Cassie and the other woman were likely the girlfriends. At least it didn't seem like the prosecution proved the case that they were paid prostitutes. She certainly did receive a great deal of value with the money and fame, and also had sex with Diddy and others, but I don't think it was ever proven that it was quite that direct of a transaction.

Cassie did have sex with at least one male prostitute at Diddy's behest. That was transactional and about what you would expect with a John paying a prostitute. I don't think his prostitution was part of the charges but could be wrong.

Those are the federal Rico and sex trafficking charges that Diidy beat but it seems like domestic abuse and assault charges would be much easier to prove. They've got the video. I assume the state could take that one on? Is there any indication that they would do that?
 
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He probably won't do long in prison but his mainstream career is over

I don’t think he can pull off the victim act given the hotel video

Red pill woman hating weirdos, especially in the rap world gonna treat him like the Messiah though
 
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