DOGE Catch-All | DOGE ledger “riddled with errors”

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ZenMode said:
Too early in the morning for blatant straw manning.
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It wasn't straw manning it was sarcasm, lol. Do you know the difference?

if your position is that there shouldn't be any minimum wage set by the government at all - and that the minimum wage should be set by the market - just come out and say it. We all know you tend to pretty libertarian in philosophy.
 
Of all the posters on this board, I'm most disappointed by Zen. Smart enough to know better, not overtly trolling like a lot of others, not a professional contrarian, just stuck in a mental groove they can't quite seem to snap out of. Cognitive bias is a hell of drug. I haven't lost faith in them. They'll have their CFord like come to Jesus moment sooner or later. They're too smart not to. But damned if I'm not disappointed it hasn't happened by now.
 
rodoheel said:
It wasn't straw manning it was sarcasm, lol. Do you know the difference?

if your position is that there shouldn't be any minimum wage set by the government at all - and that the minimum wage should be set by the market - just come out and say it. We all know you tend to pretty libertarian in philosophy.
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I never said there shouldn't be a minimum wage set by the government. Did you actually read what I typed and understand it in context?
 
ZenMode said:
I never said there shouldn't be a minimum wage set by the government. Did you actually read what I typed and understand it in context?
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Nobody understands what point you're trying to make because you keep shifting it. What was the point of calling the increase in minimum wage "forced" and then following that up by saying that the market can set its own minimum wage if not to suggest that you don't necessarily agree with the government setting a minimum wage?
 
Ddseddse said:
Of all the posters on this board, I'm most disappointed by Zen. Smart enough to know better, not overtly trolling like a lot of others, not a professional contrarian, just stuck in a mental groove they can't quite seem to snap out of. Cognitive bias is a hell of a drug. I haven't lost faith in them. They'll have their CFord like come to Jesus moment sooner or later. They're too smart not to. But damned if I'm not disappointed it hasn't happened by now.
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His sig line makes your point even more stark and/or ironic. And I'm not convinced he's not some kind of pathological contrarian either, at least on political threads. Fortunately, he's not a belligerent ass and is easy enough to ignore.
 
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rodoheel said:
Nobody understands what point you're trying to make because you keep shifting it. What was the point of calling the increase in minimum wage "forced" and then following that up by saying that the market can set its own minimum wage if not to suggest that you don't necessarily agree with the government setting a minimum wage?
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cford posted a story that had a heading:

"The middle class is seeing slower income growth than both the rich and the poor"

and I asked:

Could this (poor) be due to the forced increases in minimum wage? I'd venture that none in the middle class work for minimum wage while many poor do.

Minimum wage in AZ has close to doubled, but those already above aren't getting comparable increases.

That's it. Clear as day, IMO.
 
ZenMode said:
cford posted a story that had a heading:

"The middle class is seeing slower income growth than both the rich and the poor"

and I asked:

Could this (poor) be due to the forced increases in minimum wage? I'd venture that none in the middle class work for minimum wage while many poor do.

Minimum wage in AZ has close to doubled, but those already above aren't getting comparable increases.

That's it. Clear as day, IMO.
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None of that is remotely responsive to the questions I just posed, which has to do with what you meant by using the word "forced" to describe a minimum wage increase and why you then talked about the market setting a minimum wage in certain circumstances.
 
1moretimeagain said:
File under we must reduce the deficit or we’ll go bankrupt. Also, government handouts caused inflation.

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Yeah I'm not surprised that Trump would try to buy votes by sending voters a check but it's pretty funny to propose cutting waste to reduce the deficit then just eat up whatever deficit savings you supposedly make by immediately sending the money out.
 
rodoheel said:
None of that is remotely responsive to the questions I just posed, which has to do with what you meant by using the word "forced" to describe a minimum wage increase and why you then talked about the market setting a minimum wage in certain circumstances.
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I agree because you and Centerpiece apparently assumed I was anti-legislation to increase minimum wage. That belief apparently came from my use of the word "forced" even though state legislation literally forces an increase in minimum wage that wasn't occurring naturally.

I missed the fact that you were trying to turn a simple question to cford into an assumption and then a debate, so.....
 
rodoheel said:
Yeah I'm not surprised that Trump would try to buy votes by sending voters a check but it's pretty funny to propose cutting waste to reduce the deficit then just eat up whatever deficit savings you supposedly make by immediately sending the money out.
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On this one I’m going to have to take a Republican position. It’s very important for the government to send the $5k to me, but a terrible idea to send it to everyone else.
 
ZenMode said:
I agree because you and Centerpiece apparently assumed I was anti-legislation to increase minimum wage. That belief apparently came from my use of the word "forced" even though state legislation literally forces an increase in minimum wage that wasn't occurring naturally.

I missed the fact that you were trying to turn a simple question to cford into an assumption and then a debate, so.....
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You missed the fact that on a message board other people besides cford might ask you questions about the things you said in your post?

I apologize. I did not realize you were brand new to message board posting.

There is no such thing as the minimum wage increasing "naturally." That is the clear source of the confusion here. The very idea of a "minimum wage" is a wage that no one can legally pay under.
 
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