DOGE Catch-All | Musk is an Insider Threat with sysadmin access to everything

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“An unpaid group of billionaires, tech executives and some disciples of Peter Thiel, a powerful Republican donor, are preparing to take up unofficial positions in the U.S. government in the name of cost-cutting.

As President-elect Donald J. Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency girds for battle against “wasteful” spending, it is preparing to dispatch individuals with ties to its co-leaders, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, to agencies across the federal government.

After Inauguration Day, the group of Silicon Valley-inflected, wide-eyed recruits will be deployed to Washington’s alphabet soup of agencies. The goal is for most major agencies to eventually have two DOGE representatives as they seek to cut costs like Mr. Musk did at X, his social media platform. …”

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“…On the eve of Mr. Trump’s presidency, the structure of DOGE is still amorphous and closely held. People involved in the operation say that secrecy and avoiding leaks is paramount, and much of its communication is conducted on Signal, the encrypted messaging app.

… But parts of the operation are becoming clear: Many of the executives involved are expecting to do six-month voluntary stints inside the federal government before returning to their high-paying jobs.

Mr. Musk has said they will not be paid — a nonstarter for some originally interested tech executives — and have been asked by him to work 80-hour weeks. Some, including possibly Mr. Musk, will be so-called special government employees, a specific category of temporary workers who can only work for the federal government for 130 days or less in a 365-day period.

… The representatives will largely be stationed inside federal agencies. After some consideration by top officials, DOGE itself is now unlikely to incorporate as an organized outside entity or nonprofit. Instead, it is likely to exist as more of a brand for an interlinked group of aspirational leaders who are on joint group chats and share a loyalty to Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy. …”

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I mean, what could go wrong?

And imagine if Biden had put George Soros and Bill Gates in charge of such a group called, say, L.I.B.S. (Leaders In Business Synergy) with unofficial teams dispatched to government agencies to oversee alleged improvements in government functioning (much less cost cuts)?
 
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“… DOGE leaders have told others that the minority of people not detailed to agencies would be housed within the Executive Office of the President at the U.S. Digital Service, which was created in 2014 by former President Barack Obama to “change our government’s approach to technology.”

DOGE is also expected to have an office in the Office of Management and Budget, and officials have also considered forming a think tank outside the government in the future.

… Those who have conducted interviews for DOGE include the Silicon Valley investors Marc Andreessen, Shaun Maguire, Baris Akis and others who have a personal connection to Mr. Musk.

Some who have received the Thiel Fellowship, a prestigious grant funded by Mr. Thiel given to those who promise to skip or drop out of college to become entrepreneurs, are involved with programming and operations for DOGE. Brokering an introduction to Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy, or their inner circles, has been a key way for leaders to be picked for deployment.

… Some people close to Mr. Ramaswamy and Mr. Musk hope that these DOGE engineers can use artificial intelligence to find cost-cutting opportunities.

… Both Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy have also recast what success might mean. Mr. Ramaswamy emphasized DOGE-led deregulation on X last month, saying that removing regulations could stimulate the economy and that “the success of DOGE can’t be measured through deficit reduction alone.”

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Mr. Musk downplayed the total potential savings.

“We’ll try for $2 trillion — I think that’s like the best-case outcome,” Mr. Musk said. “You kind of have to have some overage. I think if we try for two trillion, we’ve got a good shot at getting one.” …”
 
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NYC. You're right about what would have happened if Biden had tried to do something similar. People would have lost their minds.

I think there's fat that can be cut, and these guys will likely have some success because there's so much of it, but San Francisco technology executives aren't really known for running the tightest ship. If he was going to do this right, he would pay some of the big consulting houses to do this.

But that's not some mystery. Whether it's tech Bros or McKenzie, identifying the inefficiencies is the easy part. Actually doing the cuts has always been a problem for n administrations. If Trump could pull it off, I think he would shoot his spot in political history up several notches, but it is Trump so I have my doubts. He doesn't need to get reelected but there are a whole bunch of congressmen who will need to tell their donors and the federal unions to take a haircut that do need to get reelected.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
NYC. You're right about what would have happened if Biden had tried to do something similar. People would have lost their minds.

I think there's fat that can be cut, and these guys will likely have some success because there's so much of it, but San Francisco technology executives aren't really known for running the tightest ship. If he was going to do this right, he would pay some of the big consulting houses to do this.

But that's not some mystery. Whether it's tech Bros or McKenzie, identifying the inefficiencies is the easy part. Actually doing the cuts has always been a problem for n administrations. If Trump could pull it off, I think he would shoot his spot in political history up several notches, but it is Trump so I have my doubts. He doesn't need to get reelected but there are a whole bunch of congressmen who will need to tell their donors and the federal unions to take a haircut that do need to get reelected.
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gtyellowjacket said:
NYC. You're right about what would have happened if Biden had tried to do something similar. People would have lost their minds.

I think there's fat that can be cut and these guys will likely have some success because there's so much of it but San Francisco technology executives aren't really known for running the tightest ship. If he was going to do this right, he would pay some of the big consulting houses to do this.

But that's not some mystery. Whether it's tech Bros or McKenzie, identifying the inefficiencies is the easy part. Actually doing the cuts has always been a problem for n administrations. If Trump could pull it off, I think he would shoot his spot in political history up several notches, but it is Trump so I have my doubts. He doesn't need to get reelected but there are a whole bunch of congressmen who will need to tell their donors and the federal unions to take a haircut that do need to get reelected.
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Yeah, an official government commission hiring top folks from top consulting and law firms to take a hard look at harmonizing regulations and seeking efficiency in the vast apparatus of the federal government is well overdue. And an absolutely massive job that might collapse under its own weight even with dedicated Top Minds.

But that is not what D.O.G.E. sounds like — at best it is an expansion of Jared Kushner’s ad hoc portfolio in Trump45, without teeth or power, where most of the Musk and Thiel fanboys will get bored and wander away eventually and claim victory or maybe that democracy is a failure and we should be a CEO run dictatorship.

And they are already moving the goalposts on cost cutting and even from cost cutting to regulatory reform to benefit the industries from whence der Kommissars will spring.
 
nycfan said:
Yeah, an official government commission hiring top folks from top consulting and law firms to take a hard look at harmonizing regulations and seeking efficiency in the vast apparatus of the federal government is well overdue. And an absolutely massive job that might collapse under its own weight even with dedicated Top Minds.

But that is not what D.O.G.E. sounds like — at best it is an expansion of Jared Kushner’s ad hoc portfolio in Trump45, without teeth or power, where most of the Musk and Thiel fanboys will get bored and wander away eventually and claim victory or maybe that democracy is a failure and we should be a CEO run dictatorship.

And they are already moving the goalposts on cost cutting and even from cost cutting to regulatory reform to benefit the industries from whence der Kommissars will spring.
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Yep. That's what I think's going to happen. They really could go after a lot of Federal agencies and cut some fat. My guess is, you'll have some people really doing it because they want to improve the government and you'll have a lot of people wanting to cripple agencies that they don't like like the EPA or the IRS. I just don't see this going well.
 
When McCroy came in he was hellbent on doing a similar thing in NC State govt They had mottos like "3 to 2" -ie cut one third of all jobs . I was at DHHS and Secreatry Vos brought in one her husbands top budget/efficiency guys to"Cut the fat and corruption in the bloated DHHS budget" He had access to anything , any meeting etc He stayed close to a year?
He literally found nothing to cut His whole bloated contract saved face by identifying something like 30 million of State money we could swap out for Federal money in some multibillion dollar program that is cost shared
My point
There really is not much "fat to cut" in Govt spending But yea it is a popular thing to rage about
 
mpaer said:
There really is not much "fat to cut" in Govt spending But yea it is a popular thing to rage about
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Of course. Look at that tweet above. They identified . . . $12M in expenditures (most of which are probably not waste). Americans have trouble with large numbers, which is how they get away with it. (might not be just Americans). But it would take 10,000 of those cuts (which is actually 5 cuts combined) to get to any significant amount of spending.
 
nycfan said:
Yeah, an official government commission hiring top folks from top consulting and law firms to take a hard look at harmonizing regulations and seeking efficiency in the vast apparatus of the federal government is well overdue. And an absolutely massive job that might collapse under its own weight even with dedicated Top Minds.

But that is not what D.O.G.E. sounds like — at best it is an expansion of Jared Kushner’s ad hoc portfolio in Trump45, without teeth or power, where most of the Musk and Thiel fanboys will get bored and wander away eventually and claim victory or maybe that democracy is a failure and we should be a CEO run dictatorship.

And they are already moving the goalposts on cost cutting and even from cost cutting to regulatory reform to benefit the industries from whence der Kommissars will spring.
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Moving the goalposts implies that was not their objective all along.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
NYC. You're right about what would have happened if Biden had tried to do something similar. People would have lost their minds.

I think there's fat that can be cut, and these guys will likely have some success because there's so much of it, but San Francisco technology executives aren't really known for running the tightest ship. If he was going to do this right, he would pay some of the big consulting houses to do this.

But that's not some mystery. Whether it's tech Bros or McKenzie, identifying the inefficiencies is the easy part. Actually doing the cuts has always been a problem for n administrations. If Trump could pull it off, I think he would shoot his spot in political history up several notches, but it is Trump so I have my doubts. He doesn't need to get reelected but there are a whole bunch of congressmen who will need to tell their donors and the federal unions to take a haircut that do need to get reelected.
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Programs will be cut
Money that goes to hungry people, care for sick people ,stuff like that Period
For every dollar they "save" they will spend 5 on Tax cuts to folks/corporations with lots of money Cause STIMULUS
 
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So DOGE identified five examples of what they presumably consider the most egregiously wasteful spending by the federal government in 2024, mischaracterizing these findings to the American public to foment outrage and justify DOGE's mission, and the grand total of these expenditures is $12 million. At this rate, fElon and his incel lackeys will colonize Mars before they get to $2 trillion in federal budget cuts.
 
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